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[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Bikes belong in the road.

If you're in a pedestrian path with a bicycle, you should be dismounted

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Given that's not the law in my country, I have to assume that it's your personal opinion. And your personal opinion that I should risk my life just to get to the grocery store is fucked.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online -5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Your personal opinion is that you should risk the lives of pedestrians by riding a vehicle in their path?

Its not about laws, its about morality.

[–] vala@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Weird thing is that you can ride slowly and safely while passing pedestrians.

Making a general statement like this is just completely ignorant of the reality of living in cities where car drivers HATE bikes and will absolutely kill you if you try riding in the road.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

Yes. I also think doctors should risk the lives of patients by prescribing antibiotics for bacterial infections. This is a risk because some patients have undiagnosed penicillin allergies. There is always a level of acceptable risk. Given that nobody has ever been killed by a bicycle they weren't riding in my country, I find the risk acceptable. The pedestrians on the route I take have a higher chance of dying from lung cancer due to car pollution, PER CAR, than from me killing them.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, getting hit by a bike hurts, but it doesn't kill you. Still, I'm not a fan of people endangering and inconveniencing others so they themselves can be safer either. But that's what people are like. That's one of the reasons everyone should be pro bike lane, even if they don't cycle.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I've been in cities where the "bike lane" was a "Parked car door zone"

Some of these cities literally made it illegal to not ride in the bike lanes. Not everyone should be pro bike lane, especially when they're death lanes

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I meant that as in 'everyone should be pro creating safe bike lanes'. Sorry I wasn't clear

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

In my area, bikes are allowed on all sidewalks except for a street-bounded square around the downtown core where we must ride in the street. When on the sidewalk, we are expected to yield to pedestrians. This works in practice, mostly due to low volume of bikes and pedestrians, and in some places 12 food wide sidewalks specifically designated as class 1 urban trails that even allow some ebikes. In practice, this works okay but you are definitely forced to have little micro interactions with people to negotiate sidewalk space or signal your intentions. Cyclists go to the sidewalk as a last resort because it's often not a comfortable place for us to ride, just less likely to get us killed. I will never understand cyclists who don't ring. It's a bad look for our ability to share space. Unlike cars, bicycles and pedestrians are close enough in speed to occasionally mix.

I do agree that in city centers and high traffic areas, riders should dismount.