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There's been some Friday night kernel drama on the Linux kernel mailing list... Linus Torvalds has expressed regrets for merging the Bcachefs file-system and an ensuing back-and-forth between the file-system maintainer.

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[–] solrize@lemmy.world 95 points 2 weeks ago (62 children)

Can someone say why bcachefs is interesting? Btrfs I can sort of understand. I haven't much kept track of most others.

[–] DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 146 points 2 weeks ago (40 children)

bcachefs is way more flexible than btrfs on multi-device filesystems. You can group storage devices together based on performance/capacity/whatever else, and then do funky things like assigning a group of SSDs as a write-through/write-back cache for a bigger array of HDDs. You can also configure a ton of properties for individual files or directories, including the cache+main storage group, amount of data replicas, compression type, and quite a bit more.

So you could have two files in the same folder, one of them stored compressed on an array of HDDs in RAID10 and the other one stored on a different array of HDDs uncompressed in RAID5 with a write-back SSD cache, and wouldn't have to fiddle around with multiple filesystems and bind mounts - everything can be configured by simply setting xattr values. You could even have a third file which is striped across both groups of HDDs without having to partition them up.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

two files in the same folder, one of them stored compressed on an array of HDDs in RAID10 and the other one stored on a different array [...]

Now that's what I call serious over-engineering.

Who in the world wants to use that?

And does that developer maybe have some spare time? /s

[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This probably meets some extreme corporate usecase where they are serving millions of customers.

[–] DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's not that obscure - I had a use case a while back where I had multiple rocksdb instances running on the same machine and wanted each of them to store their WAL only on SSD storage with compression and have the main tables be stored uncompressed on an HDD array with write-through SSD cache (ideally using the same set of SSDs for cost). I eventually did it, but it required partitioning the SSDs in half, using one half for a bcache (not bcachefs) in front of the HDDs and then using the other half of the SSDs to create a compressed filesystem which I then created subdirectories on and bind mounted each into the corresponding rocksdb database.

Yes, it works, but it's also ugly as sin and the SSD allocation between the cache and the WAL storage is also fixed (I'd like to use as much space as possible for caching). This would be just a few simple commands using bcachefs, and would also be completely transparent once configured (no messing around with dozens of fstab entries or bind mounts).

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Is there a reason for bind mounting and not just configuring the db to point at a different path?

[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 1 points 2 weeks ago

I mean... If you have a ton of raw photos in one directory, you can enable the highest compression rate with zstd to it. Every other directory has lz4 with the fastest compression. Your pics take much less space, but the directory will be slower to read and write.

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