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What were the conditions in the prison? What were the prisoner's demands?
At least in the historical cases I'm aware of, when prisoners take hostages, they have demands related to their conditions. And gunning down those prisoners and their hostages while pretending they just decided to murder people for no reason after taking hostage is not an atypical response.
From what I've heard, some Russian prisons are just as bad as American prisons, locking people in solitary for months to years at a time or in large rooms full of small cages.
Just as bad? I would rather spend my life in American Supermax than stay five years in a Russian penal colony.
This person desperately wants to talk about the U.S. to the point that they're accusing me of whataboutism by talking about Russia in a thread about Russia.
I'm more familiar with prisoner abuse and prison riots in America than Russia, I don't have much else to compare it to.
This is what you said above:
If you're more familiar with American prisons, then maybe what you have heard is not good enough and you should be equally familiar with both before making such statements.
Russian prisons are far worse just going by per capita deaths.
Read first, then comment.
Presumably, we are both working off non-academic, English-language sources targeting western audiences about Russian prisons. We don't have credible numbers here.
Hell we don't even have credible numbers on American prisons given how they're able to cook the books by moving people out of the prison before they're declared dead or simply not reporting deaths to the Bureau Of Justice.
Why are you presuming that?
Because if you knew what you were talking about, you'd be citing specific examples or academic works, and if you read Russian, you'd have primary sources.
What if I didn't feel like doing either of those things? That is a possibility.
You're not fooling anyone.
Not fooling anyone about what? I never made any claims. You did.
That’s what I wrote, not alcoholicorn.
D'oh! Deleting. I pasted the wrong thing.
I'm certain you're not familiar enough with Russian prisons either given that you apply zero criticism to western sources about their enemies and cannot read Russian to interact with primary sources.
Why are you certain of this? Please give evidence to back up this certainty. You claimed you weren't familiar enough with them. Is this some projection?
Here, lets test this, name something that is still widely reported by western sources about Iran, China, Cuba, Russia, or North Korea that serves the purpose of promoting hostile actions, that you know to be false. This should be trivial if you apply a little bit of critical thinking.
Why should I test your certainty if you're already certain?
Were you lying when you said you were certain? Otherwise, you should be able to produce the evidence that made you certainty.
I'm just going to vaguely gesture at your post history. You'd be referencing specific examples or relevant books or white papers if you had the level of familiarity required to do so.
Sorry, you don't get to decide what I would do as evidence. You know absolutely nothing about what I would do.
You say that, but the alternative, that you're only feigning ignorance on the subject and making vague assertions that Russian prisons must so incredibly worse than American prisons when you could actually show or just vaguely point in the direction of actual knowledge on the subject is not plausible.
If I see someone in a wheelchair slip out and struggle to get back in, I'd say I'm certain they can't walk very well. Yes it's physically possible they're just pretending, but it's so unlikely as to not be useful to include in my understanding.
I made no "vague assertions." I said it outright. And it is backed up by the fact that Russia's own police services claim a higher per-capita death rate in Russian prisons than is what is claimed in American prisons. I'd link you to that, but you'd probably make some claim that you're certain about something or other, again with no evidence before the fact.
People spend years in metal boxes without seeing another human, what we do to our prisoners literally causes PTSD and would be a war crime if done to POWs.
And that's the system acting entirely within the law as prescribed. There's even more horrific cases of what guards regularly do to inmates on their own initiative.
Yes, it’s bad. But you get all of that and then some in Russian penal colonies.
But that "and then some" could be video games and snacks, you don't know! /s