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[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

If a woman must identify as a woman, then a person who says "I am not a woman" should not be called one. You're in the category if you want to be, you're not if you don't. Simple. Easy. Much utility. This is exactly what people in my camp use it for.

I don't agree with this. What I've been trying to tell you.

I don't identify as a man, I just do what's expected of me socially as a man. I fit every conventional definition of man, so I believe that's a very good descriptor and has utility. It helps that I fit the traditional role of a man too.

You mention kids learning what words mean through usage. So what is a child's conception of a woman? It's going to be based off roles within our society, not how someone feels.

[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't agree with this.

Then you will forever misunderstand us.

You don't identify as a man? So, if you did things that society expects of women, would you be.. a woman.. then? Look, the dispassion is admirable, I just wasn't expecting you to be so loose about it.

So what is a child's conception of a woman?

It's gonna be faces of people they know along with liberal use of the word "woman" in their presence. I mean, do you understand an orange is like a banana the very first time you see one?

[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If I did things that society expects of women, then I would be a woman. Right.

I don't know what your point about the fruit is. Children have a working definition of what a woman is, it's a helpful description.

[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's.. what you said, though. You're a man because you do things men do.

I don't know what your point about the fruit is.

Okay. Do you know that oranges and bananas are both "fruit."

They're actually both berries, even.

[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. I make an effort to present as a man because its convenient. Everyone identifies me as a man then it's a useful and accurate definition. I don't see there's an issue with this.

I still don't understand your point about berries.

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