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For me, it may be that the toilet paper roll needs to have the open end away from the wall. I don't want to reach under the roll to take a piece! That's ludicrous!

That or my recent addiction to correcting people when they use "less" when they should use "fewer"

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[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 118 points 2 weeks ago (45 children)

The "is a hot dog a sandwich" and similar discussions are solved with the mighty sword of language and not some rigid taxonomy about fillings and bread.

Imagine a set of food items on a table, hot dog amongst them, but not other pseudo-sandwiches. I ask you to "Please pass me that sandwich." If there is but a moment's pause in your mind before you reach for the hot dog, even if it's as you surmise I must be speaking about the hot dog as there are no other sandwich-like items available, then it is not a sandwich.

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 64 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Psycholinguisitics understands this effect. The "wrong" word is increasing cognitive load and slowing down the listener's comprehension. The exact same thing happens when pronoun use is unclear and a person has to parse the most likely referent from context.

Language, especially English, is not computer code but leveraging the existing "libraries" of meaning and declaring variables carefully is usually very useful.

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I wish we had a dialect or subset of English that was intended to be more like computer code, and would be used for precisely specifying things. I have no idea how we'd do such a thing, and it'd never be adopted (and probably it's been tried!). But trying to write English in a way that can't be misinterpreted can be a real chore.

[–] Usually_Lurker@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This does exist in professional disciplines as jargon. I work in Orthopaedics and we do not say the “over here, inside part of my knee in the front. “. We say, “inferior, medial pole of the patella”

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's true and a great example of what my industry needs.

To make an analogy, in the software industry we call 7 different knee-like things "knees". Not to be confused with the product, Knee, which is also knee-like, but due to its name either pollutes the search results for other knees OR can literally not be searched, and is only a very specific case of knee anyway!

[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

We do have that; it's called "legalese."

On a tenuously-related note, I really wish politicians would use Git (or at least some form of real version control) instead of relying on redlined drafts in Word.

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I completely agree that Git has some great use cases outside software, and I like the one you suggested. If git is a bidet, random untracked edits (by anyone with access!) to documents are the TP we should have left behind as a society by now.

[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

git is the bidet of information.

[–] hakase@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Natural human languages always have ambiguity. There are plenty of conlangs (constructed languages) specifically designed to avoid ambiguity though if you wanted to use one of those.

If such a version of English were ever made, it would immediately gain ambiguity as soon as people began speaking it fluently (and same for the conlang if a community of speakers began using it fluently as well).

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah that's fair, and it was clear to me from the jump that it's an unrealistic desire.

[–] herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think "legalese" might be close to what you're describing. It can still be ambiguous, but it seems to be our best attempt at avoiding that. Some forms of technical writing may also meet your definition.

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I do plenty of technical writing just documenting software I write, and that's definitely what has me pining for something a little more prescriptive. Even just reordering some words can suggest different meanings and it's very difficult to step outside my own understanding of what I'm writing about to see it with "fresh eyes", how someone else may interpret it.

I have to acknowledge that legalese does meet the criteria! Someone else mentioned that too. It feels very far off from what I had in mind though. Maybe just because I don't speak it fluently!

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