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Ford has written off $1.9bn as it cancelled plans for an all-electric large SUV in the US, opting to produce a hybrid version instead in the latest sign of western carmakers struggling to make profitable electric cars.

The US carmaker said on Wednesday that it would not be able to reach a profit on the electric SUV within a year, its measure of whether a new car is viable, citing the stiff competition from Chinese manufacturers. It will initially write off the cost of $400m (£300m) in tooling for the vehicle, plus another $1.5bn (£1.15bn) in extra costs in the future.

Ford also said it would delay the successor to its F-150 Lightning electric pickup truck until 2027, after initially targeting a launch next year.

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[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Did someone say stock buybacks?

Currently large electric vehicles make 0 sense

Make all passenger cars electric and work trucks ICE till the battery tech becomes suitable. Require licence to buy/drive big fuck you trucks and fine anyone who isn't using one for work.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Car and Driver picked the Ioniq 5 N as car of the year. It’s an SUV EV with 624hp. The non-N model is a hit seller.

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

3,578lbs curb weight of a Tuscon
4,414 ioniq 5.

Max towing capacity. Tuscon 2000lbs. Ioniq 5 1500lbs.

Not to mention the wear that 1000lbs extra causes.

Just because something is popular doesn't mean it makes sense.
Tic tic challenges, extremely popular, do they make sense to do?

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The specsheet comparison is definitely the thing that tells you all you need to know about something...

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's just simple physics, or did you fail that class?

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not gonna explain why the things you said make you sound like an idiot. I'm just telling you it does. And that we're all over here laughing at you.

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, it's not. Tire Particulate Pollution

You now want everyone to drive around cars that have the equivalent weight of a 5 person family extra?

Seriously use your brain m8

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah the famous made up stuff that had nothing to do with anything. Like the other car doesn't also have tires?

Or that weight is the primary contributor to tires degrading.

Idiocy

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So you're telling me 900lbs of weight makes 0 difference on tire wear?

Yep someone failed or just never took it.

Heavier vehicle takes more to move making it use more power. Where you live it may not be an issue but for a lot of Americans it means coal power plants.

There are reasons why I stated that big electric vehicles currently don't make sense. Stop being so narrow minded, I am not basing my views on a single issue

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I am not basing my views on a single issue

Dunno about that bruh

So you're telling me 900lbs of weight makes 0 difference on tire wear?

Not a single issue waaaaaaa.

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You are a moron Don't even notice what I said about power generation Read a book ya dumb fuck

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh, would a book explain to me why you only compare things on spec sheets?

I'd probably have to go to 4chan for that one.

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Seriously you are missing some brain cells Batteries are heavy, to get the same range in fuel you need more batteries. Towing capacity is diminished to from the extra weight. More batteries is more mining and less cars can be produced with current designs all for the sake of a checkbox (range). More smaller cars with half the range are ideal for current battery tech and the way people realistically commute. Electricity generation is a big issue. Not everywhere uses solar, wind, hydro or nuclear. So your left with incineration, coal or natural gas for electrical generation

More batteries is more expensive making only wealthy people able to buy them (F150 lightning, Rivian, that other stupid company) also making them too expensive to replace.

Extra weight also puts more strain on existing parts leading to premature failures, makes crashes more likely to be fatal, more batteries more points of failure and more battery to burn if penetrated or catastrophic failure.

There is prob more but I've got work to do.

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

After all this it seems you want cars to be smaller, cheaper and with less range. None of which has anything to do with why they gave one car, car of the year over another.

What you have a beef with, is why people rated that car better based only on a speed sheet. Seriously, have you driven one? Have you read the reviews?

Do you know why people want longer ranges on a truck? Have you looked at what car oener demographics want? Did you explain any of that up front?

No.

You said one is heavier this sucks. Flipped the table like a 3 year old having a tantrum refused to elaborate and called everyone idiots.

Sure man, we're the idiots here. What s clown you are

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Please go back and re read my posts, you are the one who is the clown or just a troll who sucks

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I did mate and you're salty about what you think people should want. Not what people actually want. You're obsessed with numbers on a spec sheet.

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mate, you are a terrible troll

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Don't respond then

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