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Ukraine attacked Moscow on Wednesday with at least 11 drones that were shot down by air defences in what Russian officials called one of the biggest drone strikes on the capital since the war in Ukraine began in February 2022.

The war, largely a grinding artillery and drone battle across the fields, forests and villages of eastern Ukraine, escalated on Aug. 6 when Ukraine sent thousands of soldiers over the border into Russia's western Kursk region.

For months, Ukraine has also fought an increasingly damaging drone war against the refineries and airfields of Russia, the world's second largest oil exporter, though major drone attacks on the Moscow region - with a population of over 21 million - have been rarer.

Russia's defence ministry said its air defences destroyed a total of 45 drones over Russian territory, including 11 over the Moscow region, 23 over the border region of Bryansk, six over the Belgorod region, three over the Kaluga region and two over the Kursk region.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

There are valid military targets in Moscow. However the more important part is to instill fear in the populace. People who are afraid of being killed are far more useful a tool to Ukraine than actually killing them. It's that feeling of impending doom, that this time they might come for you. Them those scared people are a problem for the Russian government, but without pissing them off enough to override their fear.

[–] JohnBrownII@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

So terrorism. You want to literally terrorize civilians for military gain. What is wrong with you?

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee -2 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

Have you seen what they did to Ukraine?

It's counter-terrorism.

You can't let terrorists get away with their terror, the fear must be repaid 10-fold or it will never end.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm not sure that fire-with-fire strategy is the most effective. At least historically it seems to have mixed results. I think going after their economy makes the most sense: sanctions, refinery attacks, sabotage; hit them in the wallet, break their capacity to continue the carnage.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It works if you can actually hit the people who attacked you.

The more layers of abstraction between a populace and its government/army, the less likely “retaliation” against the populace will actually succeed as retaliation.

This is basically the problem with the “Israel/Palestine” conflict. People want to think of it as two parties in conflict but it is not. It is four parties:

  • IDF
  • Israeli citizens
  • Hamas
  • Palestinian civilians

That four-player nature to the game makes the traditional tit-for-tat strategy break down, which is why the conflict doesn’t end.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

You're missing the settlers and their ultranationalist allies.

They're basically the mirror to Hamas.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago

I think we need to do both, there is no reason to hold back on any front.

Break the country, then we can figure out how to move forward properly.

We tried the kind and gentle approach after the ussr, which was the right thing then, but they don't respond well, they considered it weakness.

That only leaves the other extreme.

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