This is one of the downfalls of a distributed system. You basically need public votes. Without it, instances lack critical information about the validity of votes. You don’t have a centralized system with back door access to monitor and maintain things.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You can anonymise those votes with a hash if your data is structured to need a username for a key value. Use the username as a salt if you must. However the Lemmy API has plenty of metadata to prove a human account that is not a username. Creation date, how many previous comments, if they're banned from another connected instanxe. This isn't about mod tooling or APIs this is about anonymity and privacy.

There's no need for a fediverse wide running tally of upcotes for a comment on Lemmy

I vote for no upvote or downvotes, why build a token for a false economy like the upvote at Reddit or the note at Tumblr or the like on Facebook.

Endorphin buttons are not good for anyone.

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You don't want "chug bleach to cure coronavirus" content being on the same level as actual intelligent discourse

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't tell me what I want

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Apparently I have to because clearly you've been getting into the cleaning supplies

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah. Smug and disingenuous. Nice to know you didn't read my comment and posted your opinion anyways.

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I vote for no upvote or downvotes, why build a token for a false economy like the upvote at Reddit or the note at Tumblr or the like on Facebook

I read your comment.

This is what I replied to.

Funny that you're downvoting my comment though :3

I guess huffing Windex might be giving you short term memory issues

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your argument is about content moderation not upvotes or downvotes. There is bleach chugging on reddit, likes promote bleach posts on Facebook. Notes on Tumblr are often used to silence or discredit dissent and argument.

What you are wanting is content moderation. Upvotes and down votes are just number go up or down.

I was mistaken my issue with you isn't your literacy it's your reading comprehension.

Stay smug tho.

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So you expect mods to just read everything ever written in here and then arbitrarily delete things?

You should lay off the dish soap.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Shhhh shhhh now. I know, it's hard.

I didn't say anything about moderators I was talking about moderation. Not who does what or how it's done. See that's your job. Intelligent conversation, maybe you've seen it modeled somewhere before. I'll explain it regardless because I don't think you understood it. Intelligent conversation is when people share ideas, or concepts. Someone says something and then the other person, either supports or refutes it with logic.

Back to moderation vs upvotes. Try to think of what a good solution would be, and then describe it. With details and logic. That's how the adults in the room like to talk.

You're just shitposting. Maybe looking for someone, anyone to talk to. You have a weird fixation on cleaning products. Maybe try to talk about other more relatable things. Or you know the topic at hand, that could help.

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

A good solution would be to allow a community to decide what they want to see by allowing individuals to promote or demote the content they consider worth it or not, and then only involve moderation in cases things are actually harmful and/or illegal.

We could call them upchoices or downchoices idk there must be a better name for it.

I am surprised you don't like the cleaning products stuff, you clearly seem to want more of it.

And again, for someone who thinks downvotes are bad, you sure is quick to dish them out :3

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well the first part is a cogent argument good job! I'll ignore the ramblings below it.

What you're describing isn't working, that's the argument for the public vs private. To dissuade the gaming of totals that I refernced 6 comments ago now, you'll have to scroll past your shitposting to get there. I'll wait.

If you're fighting what are essentially automated bots that upvote or downvote as much as they like, and then having to verify accounts to ptevent the bots, then distribute tools to auto mods, then restructure again, it's all a game of cat and mouse. You need community engagement not content moderation. Community tools and culture are how you fight disinformation. Let people communicate their points. Give better sorting in the comments and use many different algos to sort responses. Not just upvote downvote. Arithmetic is very easily gamed for the motivated and loud minority voice. It's literally the reason many people left Tumblr, Dig, Reddit and will leave Lemmy. A binary choice doesn't promote discussion it drives "engagement".

You haven't even touched on my argument of dopamine buttons. I think it might be your fixation on cleaning products and projection. If you're going to use the labor of your end users to self moderate then you should hide all upvote/downvote tallies. Also fully anonymise counts. Voting systems are anonymous for many different reasons one is to prevent what has commonly been referred to as influencer clout. Another is to prevent direct targeting of users.

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I ain't reading all that.

Congratulations for your loss.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It was reading comprehension that's the issue I knew it!

Using terminology like win or lose proves my point to hide and anonymize vote totals.

Also that you've finished your argument and it didn't matter what vote total any of your comments has proves it further.

Communities are self regulating with or without upvotes and downvotes. It's a false economy.

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Based

[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think it's possible to have both in a federated system. Let the instance the user is on keep the tally of who upvoted what, and let the instance the post is on to know only the tally from other instances. Should be up to instances whether to show this data to users or not. This way it'd be easy to find and defederate single user instances manipulating votes.

But, on the other hand, I don't see a reason to care about privacy of votes if you can't even delete a post or comment. Fediverse is, by design, not very private, why bother with just this one aspect of it then.