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Hey everyone,

I still was rather recently diagnosed late in life. Some very helpful people already helped me on another topic, so I wanted to come to you all again:

I have had sleep issues for ages. I didn't get why, I tried pretty much all the neurotypical advice I was given my whole life or learned about. Sadly I am among the many that still have loads of sleep troubles. Not gonna lie, they broke my spirit more often than I could recount.

I have the full party going:

  • Trouble falling asleep due to a few factors (among others: Negative thought spirals, sponanious ideas and impulse control to keep them in check, but mostly that - with hunger, thirst or pain - I just don't notice my own needs.
  • Trouble sleeping longer than (3-4 h) and not being able to fall back asleep
  • As consequences of the above I am usually not rested at all. Sometimes I just pass out after work, which makes things harder later at bed time.

As I learned, our bodies should usually sleep at night and our brain chemistry is built for that (duh). But sometimes with ADHD our whole bodily clock is just being off by a lot. That's apparently why some of us sleep from late at night till late in the morning. Per se fair enough, but not super healthy. And I personally couldn't find a job that starts at 12 a.m..

Also neurotypical people are apparently not supposed to be bored out of their mind, trying to fall asleep. Supposedly they can lie down, relax their thoughts and can be asleep between 10-20 minutes. My brain for once won't stop being flooded with thoughts, sensory inputs and such. Those 10-20 are more like 1-2 for me and only with a 25% chance I sleep more than 4 hours.

The only successes I had so far falling asleep when I wanted to, was with prescription meds (with serious health risk attached). The othet thing that works sometimes is, if I can focus, to go on mental adventures, which ideally keep me occupied till I doze off. And the worst thing that works is just having to sleep due to sheer exhaustion.

When we wakes up, apparently many of us can also struggle to fall back asleep. At least I know, wrong bad thought and that was it for the night.

I didn't know I had ADHD and didn't really know how it affects every part of me. Therefore i coulnd't treat my issues properly either. I am still learning lot, but quality adult ADHD resources suck, to be frank. Kinda sad how we are aware ADHD is rough in the mildest cases and you still have to filter all the pseudoscience and bullshit out, just for breadcrumbs of advice.

I must have tried basically all things of the neurotypical advice, I thought could help me. I think especially sleep hygenie is something all people can work on regularly, also us with our ADHD. Improving sleep hygiene might take many forms with ADHD., though. How does yours look?

I'd kindly ask everyone with some knowledge or personal advice to chip in. That's if and how you found ways to make it easier to sleep for youself. Would you share your stories, so we might all learn more?

Not all tools are for everyone, as we know. But I will give everything here a fair shake and your experiences can be very valuable to me and others too.

I don't mind starting with basics, mine are probably shoddy. If someone more knowledge or experienced could share their wisdom and get me pointed in the right direction. A bit of advice on where to start and maybe some resources would be appreciated greatly. I feel I fucked up so much treating the comorbid problems of my ADHD, I might have to start from scratch here with "how to human". I probably learned and adapted many things, which might make my sleep troubles even worse and gotta unlearn some.

Any and all comments are much appreciated, thank you.

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[–] ChaosCoati@midwest.social 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I watch a tv show on my phone. I know it goes against all the traditional advice, blue light is bad for sleep, blah blah blah. For me, it means I can get 7 or 8 hours of sleep instead of 3.

I don’t watch just any tv though. It has to: 1. Be a show I know well enough where I can tell which character is speaking when I’m only listening. 2. Have a good amount of seasons (8 or more) so I don’t get to where I’ve memorized the episodes and my mind starts to wander. 3. Is one I know in general what’s gonna happen with the characters (so I don’t have to stay up and find out what happens) but isn’t one I love so much that I can’t stop watching. And 4. Doesn’t have a bunch of nonverbal stuff that’s important to the plot.

I have a sleep headband with little speakers in it so it doesn’t keep my partner up. When I’m ready for bed, I make sure my screen brightness is turned all the way down, I put on my sleep headphones, and I lay down and close my eyes to listen to the show. Usually I can fall asleep in less than an hour, as long as I keep my eyes closed. Otherwise I get caught up watching the show and before I know it I’ve watched 3 episodes and I’m still awake.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

We’re gonna need a list of the shows the meet your criteria

[–] Zess@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Bob's Burgers is my sleeping show.

[–] cashmaggot@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago

After a shit-traumatic event I crammed bb down my throat to chill the fuck out. It was my Tetris =P! That opening song is fucking AWFUL to sleep to. And I wouldn't advise it for anyone personally because it has woken me from the depths a truck-ton when I was using it during that period. Counter - I am always an advocate of their earlier show dr. katz. That's a good sleep show because it's like a podcast and not terribly loud or "exciting" but that's just me.

[–] ChaosCoati@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago

Oh Bob’s Burgers is an awesome idea. Adding that to my rotation

[–] ChaosCoati@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Mostly dramas: Bones, House, Criminal Minds, NCIS. Plus Stargate SG-1

[–] moistclump@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I’m similar. For me it’s Friends, Parks and Rec, QI, 30 rock, New Girl. Ones like that.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

It depends on the sound of the show for me. For instance - American Dad, old Futurama are great. Family guy, not so much. I also like to listen to specific streamers condensed videos. ZFG1 is a dude that plays old Legend of Zelda games. He's got a great voice to sleep through, which doesn't get boring - he plays the game in randomizers, which changes the playthrough but makes it still familiar enough to listen to. There are hundreds of 7 hour long playthroughs, along with hundreds of videos that are cut down to like 40 mins.

[–] scrion@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

For me, something similar works - I queue up 6 to 9 hours of podcasts, ideally some that are basically just someone narrating, not a lot of sound effects etc. and stories that don't grab my attention, or rather, just then right amount, e. g. stories I already know.

I actually wake up in total silence. When sleeping next to someone else, I wear a flat headband with built-in speakers.

The podcast Nothing much happens helps me find sleep, but I personally like to listen to Acephale, Knifepoint Horror. I think the cadence people typically read horror at, and the general atmosphere with the occasional synth drone really does it for me.

I'm really not surprised that apparently, some part of the ADHD brain has to be kept distracted at night to let the other parts relax. Also, to some it might feel paradoxical since medication is typically a stimulant, but ever since getting medicated, my sleep cycle got a lot more regular.

[–] FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I’ve converted Star Trek: The Next Generation to mp3 (all seven seasons) to get the entertainment without the blue light.

[–] ChaosCoati@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is a really good idea. What program did you use to convert them?

[–] FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I used ffmpeg in a terminal because I'm familiar with typing commands. That way I could have it loop through them all.

For most people though I'd recommend using a graphical program though. Audacity is free. You can drag and drop an mp4 file (for example) into the window and it immediately gives you the audio to export to mp3 or whatever you like.

Another online commenter explained how to use VLC to do it too: "I've found that VLC media player will help with this trick. Open the .mp4 (or any audio file). Once opened, go up to the Media menu and Add your file(s) to the File Selection list. Then select Covert/Save at the bottom. In the Save window that appears, click on the down arrow found on the "Convert/Save" button at the bottom and select Convert. In that window that appears, change the Profile to the format you want (assuming Audio - MP3), give it a Destination, then Start. In just a couple moments, you'll have an mp3. GL!" Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/podcasting/comments/11e5khr/comment/jacrzgz/

[–] ChaosCoati@midwest.social 2 points 3 months ago

I will look into those. Thank you for taking the time to type it all up, kind stranger

[–] cashmaggot@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago

Yes, my partner watches shows on her phone too. It has to be something she knows like the back of her hand but she still likes. To be honest it's pretty much Futurama or American Dad and she plays it with the filters on and set down a bit so it doesn't bug me (too much). I still don't like having tv on personally in the house. I also have a Sony alarm clock that everyone hates for being "too dark" but it's the only led I allow in my bedroom. Everything else is painted over with acrylic, turned off or taped over. It keeps things from distracting me. If you don't like sleeping in the dark - find what you do like sleeping in. They sell multi-colored lights you can find your own rhythm and if you're interested in a partner(s) down the line (or have one currently) there's surely either something a) you both/all can agree on or b) will find that magical glass slipper of a person who likes the same sleep setup as you =P!