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[–] ConstipatedWatson@lemmy.world 39 points 4 weeks ago (30 children)

We should all probably start donating to Firefox. Isn't Google their main source of income?

There might come a time when they prefer to gut Firefox, forcing Mozilla to either reject uBlock Origin or die (or they could simply pull the plug on funding knowing they'll earn more when people go back to Chrome-based browsers)

[–] fernlike3923@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 weeks ago (25 children)

Mozilla still does pretty good without any donations, and your donations will most definitely not be spent on Firefox.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 28 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

This is what drives me mad about Mozilla. Let me donate to Firefox! I don’t want to donate to another hairbrained idea to “diversify your revenue streams” - I want to donate to Firefox.

As I’ve said many times before, Firefox would be better off as an opencollective-driven, smaller (50-ish) team, with code on Codeberg, than driven by a 600 strong org who needs to compete with SF salaries and fancy offices. They have become Google by another name and it ain’t healthy.

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Your money is honestly better spent donating to new efforts like Ladybird or Servo.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 5 points 4 weeks ago

Is Servo independent of Mozilla now? It’s instructive how much they swayed when Mozilla cut them away, but seems they’ve found a new team to steward it.

Ladybird I hadn’t heard of so thank you for the suggestion. I’ll check them out.

[–] mhm@programming.dev 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

LibreWolf exists, and is already on Codeberg. If and when push comes to shove, they may stop depending on Firefox altogether.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I like LibreWolf! But while they may be the natural successor to a folded Firefox, they would need to beef up dramatically to actually be the stewards of the codebase. Right now they do a good job at removing stuff, but setting a direction for a browser that zings with users requires a fully fledged product org.

Firefox is caught between those two worlds.

[–] mhm@programming.dev 2 points 4 weeks ago

Fair take. I agree 👍

[–] fernlike3923@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago

I really couldn't agree more.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago

I actually think it's a good thing they are seeking other income sources. After all Google is both their competitor and main income source while being under investigation by the government. Firefox barely manages to keep up with Chrome as-is. Nevermind if they had a team a fraction of its current size. It's just not really practical for a project this size and scope to have a small plucky team. It needs a big organisation of some kind behind it. Ideally one like Google or Microsoft who can pull income from more profitable projects to pay for better browser engineering. It's also needed so they can have a say in web standards. An organisation like that also has more ways to make money from their browser like with ChromeOS and Android. Firefox actually tried to make their own smartphone OS, to be honest I am annoyed they didn't succeed. It would have given us a real alternative to Android while giving them needed income.

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