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According to the debate, they had their reasons. But still -- when one hundred and eighty six nations say one thing, and two say another, you have to wonder about the two.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

let’s not entertain “Jews run the United states”

Large financial institutions run the United States. And those institutions have a vested interest in controlling trade through the Mediterranean Sea, specifically by way of the Suez Canal. This creates a socio-economic incentive to back a heavily armed ethno-state with strong ties to the US/UK financial system. And - after the holocaust - the Jewish diaspora just happens to be the group that fit the bill. (The large Arab community in Saudi Arabia does, too, but its okay to be racist towards Arabs so we don't complain quite so much about that).

So we run into a problem. Saying "AIPAC is manipulating our elections with enormous sums of cash laundered through the MIC into mass media social manipulation" is true, but quickly gets you labeled antisemitic by people who want to conflate billionaire shipping magnets with your elderly aunt from Queens. Trying to draw a line between plutocrats entangled with the MIC and random synagogues in Chattanooga or Cleveland becomes difficult when you've got real actual nazi fucks screaming slurs on one side of you and cynical mass-murdering shits insisting anyone anti-war is anti-Jew on the other.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's a complicated tight line to walk. Hence why it should be avoided implying that Israel puppets the United states and thus falling into actual Nazi conspiracy theories.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Hence why it should be avoided implying that Israel puppets the United states

The influence of Israeli lobbyists and their affiliates is undeniable. As is the influence of Saudi, UK, Japan, fucking Bermuda...

Fixating on Israelis as uniquely influential is a problem. But then we have no problem with ranting about Trump being a "Russia controlled puppet", so we clearly aren't above a little Cold War style hysteria.

It might behove us to ask why Benny from Philly has such disproportionate influence, rather than just writing every observation of influence off as Jew Hate.

But that gets us into a whole conversation about domestic police lobbying, the Pentagon's revolving door with industry, the role of the O&G lobbyists, etc. And that's even worse than antisemitism. It's anti-Americanism.