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[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 56 points 1 month ago (11 children)

By the nine divines... Why does it take libs 80 years extra to reach the conclusions that Marxists have already described in detail in the last century...

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

He is not taking a Marxist position. Possibly agreeing with parts of the same analysis as Marx but definitely not the same prescription. Not every criticism of Capitalism is an endorsement of Marxism

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He is not taking a Marxist position

Precisely that's why it's taken him 80 years longer than Marxists to reach that conclusion.

Not every criticism of Capitalism is an endorsement of Marxism

Which is why non-marxist anti-capitalist movements such as Salvador Allende's socialism in Chile, or Mosaddegh's Iran, inevitably fail within a few years due to the lack of understanding of class struggle and the history of capitalism.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I take it you have a Marxist state as a counter example showing it's superiority and longevity?

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

USSR lasted much longer than Allende's project, and Cuba is still ongoing

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The question was superiority and longevity. Are you claiming those are both superior states as well?

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

The USSR and Cuba are much more desirable than the short-lived wannabe socialist regime that led to Pinochet's dictatorship, yes, how do you not see this?

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