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[–] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago (17 children)

If I'm understanding correctly the argument against her competing hinges upon a genetic test that the article provides no information for.

The evidence that she's a woman seems overwhelming. But the article doesn't provide the necessary information for an reader to understand and defeat the objection. We're not to reason for ourselves. Instead, we're to rely on ad hominem: The objection itself doesn't matter because it came from Russia. The article also ignores fallacy fallacy: There's also a very small possibility that Russia has reached the "good" conclusion for entirely "bad" reasons.

I know three things:

  1. She's almost certainly a biological woman.
  2. She won.
  3. The author thinks you're stupid.
[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Afaik the IOC did all the standard testing on her and didn't find any issues (no doping, normal testosterone levels, etc). Idk if they did a genetic sex test - I'd imagine that isn't standard. Is that correct? Regardless of the Russian-run boxing federation's intentions, I'd still trust the IOC's findings over theirs.

Plus, even if she was XXY or something, does that actually have any impact on athletic performance? I'd imagine not

Edi: yep. Looks like it is widely believed that having a y chromosome is unfair, but the science doesn't necessarily back that up.

"improved understanding about genetic factors that lead to selection in sport should offer reassurance that female athletes with hyperandrogenism do not possess any physical attribute relevant to athletic performance that is neither attainable, nor present in other women."

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-014-0249-8

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

The fact that trans athletes aren't all at the top of their leagues is proof that a y chromosome isn't unfair.

The gradient caused by sexual dimorphism is smaller than the gradient caused by intense, advanced training in all but the most pure strength based competitions like powerlifting.

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