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[–] leisesprecher 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Those are still CPUs. Microcontrollers have CPUs, and those are the smallest units that can actually run code in a meaningful way.

However, Linux needs an MMU as far as I know, so you won't see Ubuntu boot on an esp32, even though it does have a CPU.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Those are still CPUs. Microcontrollers have CPUs, and those are the smallest units that can actually run code in a meaningful way.

If the whole board is the CPU, we typically don't call it a CPU. (The C is for Central.) There's very few left, but there's still hardware out there, running code, that could be called CPU-less.

I do take your point that it's down to pendantic wording, at that point. Something very like a CPU, that most of us are going to just call a CPU, is going to be present.

However, Linux needs an MMU as far as I know, so you won't see Ubuntu boot on an esp32, even though it does have a CPU.

Yeah. There's certainly an argument to be made that whatever is left is not really the Linux Kernel anymore, after modifying it enough to run CPU-free. But I suppose it's still more fair to call it Linux, than not to, at that point.

[–] leisesprecher 7 points 1 month ago

Microcontrollers aren't "the whole board", following that definition, an SoC wouldn't have a CPU either.

MCs require support components. Clocks, power converters, level shifters, modem, etc. You'll hardly wire a barrel plug and a servo directly to a DIP (though that would be pretty cool).

[–] uis@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

MMU (optional)