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Imane Khelif is just the latest victim of idiotic transvestigators.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago (34 children)

The question that I don't think society has wrestled with, and I'm including both left and right wing people, is who should be allowed to do women's sports? What's the purpose of the competition?

Imagine a world without male and female events. Instead, every category is open to any athlete who wants to compete. In that world, very few Olympic events would feature any female athletes at all. You'd see some in equestrian events, some in shooting events. In most other sports, having a male body is enough of an advantage that you won't see many women at all.

So, the purpose of having a women's category seems mostly to be allowing women to have a chance at winning something by not having them compete with men. That means you have to draw the line somewhere. And, wherever you draw the line, some people are going to be left out.

Who gets to decide where the line is drawn? Different cultures have different ideas, and at something like the Olympics, every country is represented. Historically, it has been men deciding who's female enough to be allowed to compete. I think most people could agree that that's bad, and it should be women making that decision. But, should it be all women, or only athletes who are actually competing in a sport? If it's left up to the athletes, isn't there a chance they'll want to draw the line somewhere that favors themselves?

It's always going to be a sticky situation because the whole point of a women's category is to keep out another group who would otherwise have an advantage. But, there's no obvious line that can be drawn that everybody will agree with that separates the two groups.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

A lot of "male" events are actually open for anyone, it's just that women generally prefer women only events, since women will usually be at a disadvantage on average.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I don't know if that's true at the Olympics, but for example Formula 1 has been open to women from the start, and there have been 5 female drivers. Only one has ever earned a point, and that was back in the 1950s. NFL football is also theoretically open to women, but no woman has ever made the cut.

In some cases, like NFL football, it's the rules that mean that a female body is generally going to be at a disadvantage. In other cases, like F1, it's probably more that young girls aren't given the same chances as boys. It seems to me like most Olympic events are in that first category, so no matter what you did to give girls and young women chances, they'd never be able to compete physically against men.

[–] rainynight65 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

From 1968 to 1992, Olympic skeet shooting was a mixed sex discipline. A woman won the skeet shooting event at the 1992 Olympics.

In 1996 there was no longer a mixed sex skeet shooting event, nor was there a separate women's event. The latter was introduced at the 2000 Olympics, but the mixed sex event is history. It is said that the decision to end the mixed event was made before the 1992 Olympics, but there is no clear rationale or corroboration.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Sounds pretty suspicious. Shooting is definitely one of those events where the male biological advantage should be low enough that there's no reason not to have a mixed event.

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