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[–] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What's your logic with 0 = 1?
Can you restate without math?

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

0 and 1 are not the same thing. Can an all powerful being make them the same thing? Yes, but doing so would destroy the very concept of logic and render this whole exercise that is existence pointless. The theoretical world in which 0 and 1 are the same thing (or true and false, or hot and cold) does not rely on the rules of logic that underpin all human thought. You are looking at a return to the Ginnungagap; the void before reality. The darkness that existed before the first day.

Of course, the "free will" thingy doesn't explain away all the bad stuff in the world. It explains why we have adultery and murder and nazis. But it doesn't explain why babies get cancer. And the reason that babies get cancer is that the gods do not know everything, they can't fix everything, and besides, they wouldn't if they could because they don't care. The paradox of baby cancer only works on monotheistic religions, and even then only a tiny percentage of them.

[–] kyle@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's similar to the "unstoppable force meets an immovable object" thought experiment.

They can't both exist, just like 0 can't be the same as 1. If you somehow "forced" it to be true because an all powerful deity made it so, the logic breaks, and the answer is effectively useless to us.

So then if a deity made freewill, there MUST be evil, or at least the capability of it. My metaphor is sorta inverted, but hopefully it makes sense.

[–] sandbox@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

It very quickly gets into philosophy. We consider the ability to do evil to be part of our free will, but we don’t consider the ability for us to do djskwjejrj to be part of our free will. We still have free will, even though we cannot djskwjejrj.

Likewise, if we lived in a world that God created without the ability to do evil, but otherwise we had free will, we wouldn’t know of the limitations to our free will - therefore we’d believe we still had it. And in that world, we may also be able to djskwjejrj.

(I just keyboard-smashed to come up with that term, hopefully the metaphor carries.)