SNOOcalypse - document, discuss, and promote the downfall of Reddit.

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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by lvxferre@lemmy.ml to c/snoocalypse@lemmy.ml
 
 

Ladies, gentlemen, and cherished non-binary folks: it has been a serious joy to moderate this community for you.

Based on the general input from an earlier thread, I'm closing this community down; I apologise for rushing this decision but it's for the best.


I'll also use the opportunity to publicly release the modlog of this community, showing at least which actions were taken by myself:

I can't show the other usernames because this would be allegedly "doxxing".

I'm doing so because I believe that transparency is essential to nurture a healthy and friendly community. I also encourage people here to check the mod logs of other lemmy.ml communities.

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r/redditalternatives thread: This is why I don't trust anything on reddit. A r/modcoord thread full of anti-fediverse comments, and all of my pro-fediverse comments are removed and the mods won't answer why. https://web.archive.org/web/20240111205116/https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/193iuf1/this_is_why_i_dont_trust_anything_on_reddit_a/

Content of deleted post https://archive.ph/cV8X6

Removed comments https://web.archive.org/web/20240111211111/https://www.reveddit.com/y/briangutaccess/

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Now the social media platform is aiming for an IPO in the first quarter of 2024 with a valuation of $15 billion, and has been in talks with potential investors like Goldman Sachs and and Morgan Stanley, per Bloomberg.

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Summary: Reddit warns mods that it's ending its crypto program, before it warns the other users. What could go wrong? /s

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by snek@lemmy.world to c/snoocalypse@lemmy.ml
 
 

Tl;dr: have there been any writings, surveys, or studies on the political composition of Reddit shifting in large communities?


I logged out of my reddit account a while ago but still browse some subreddits without logging in and have recently noticed more far-right rhetoric in general. I'm curious to know if others have seen this trend or, even better, wrote about it or documented it. Some examples I noticed were r/sweden and r/exmuslim. These are two communities I used to frequent often and both of them now have descended into more upvoted far-right rhetoric of the "deport them all!" caliber.

I have a feeling (from my own experience browsing these communities) that such content used to be quickly addressed and downvoted, and both of those subreddits don't tend to ban people on the fly nor overmoderate. Sometimes I see threads with the same title (likely posted by the same person) on both the subreddit and the corresponding lemmy community where the difference in opinion and the general political leaning is obvious.

So, not to succumb to my own biases, have there been any writings, surveys, or studies on the political composition of Reddit shifting in large communities?

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/5935182

What is this product, and what does it do?

Reddit Account Manager allows you to keep track of all of your accounts, subreddit subscriptions, and bookmarks—all in one place.

How does this product help me?

Reddit Account Manager acts as a database repository for your Reddit accounts, so that if and when you decide to delete your Reddit account, you have your accounts, subscriptions, and bookmarks all in one place. With Reddit Account Manager, you'll:

  • Know exactly when you created every account
  • Know how much post/comment karma each account has
  • Know when it's time to delete an account
  • Have all your subscriptions mapped out and ready to go for the next account you create
  • Save all your bookmarks, even if your accounts are long gone
  • Know when an account is active, deleted, or not created yet

Why did you build this product?

Despite many Redditors' desires to delete their account and start a new one, many refrain from doing so for multiple reasons. Reasons include (but are not limited to):

  • Losing track of the subreddits they're subscribed to
  • Losing bookmarks
  • Lack of data export functionality from Reddit
  • Time and effort in switching (and ditching) accounts

Why have multiple Reddit accounts, and why would I want to delete them periodically?

All of your Reddit activity is public. Over time, you become increasingly identifiable. By having multiple Reddit accounts designated to specific subreddits/interests, and deleting them after some time, you:

  • Maintain pseudo-anonymity
  • Subscribe to different subreddits across different accounts
  • Keep a low profile and mix up data

Which platform do I need to use Reddit Account Manager?

You can use it out-of-the-box with any the following:

  • Airtable
  • Baserow
  • Notion
  • Coda
  • ClickUp

Can I use this to store or migrate my Reddit data now that Reddit has killed third-party apps?

Absolutely, yep. You can (and should) use it however it works best for you.

Why did you make it free?

We all deserve privacy and to not be tracked all over the web. I knew this could bring value to every single Reddit user who wants to delete their account, start a new one, or simply keep track of everything you want to, so that if you ever do want to destroy your account, you'll be able to without worrying about losing track of it all.

And Reddit's recent decisions, Reddit Account Manager serves as a great tool to export your data and take it with you wherever you go next.

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Excerpt:

Most major subreddits show a decrease of between 50 and 90 percent in average daily posts and comments, when compared to a year ago. This suggests the problem is way fewer users, not the same number of users browsing less. The huge and universal dropoff also suggests that people left, either because of the changes or the protests, and they aren’t coming back.

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The outcome was predicted by plenty users in this community, but now the news are noticing it.

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I'm sharing this here mostly due to the "official" labels. Excerpt from the text:

“Starting today, we’re beginning early testing of placing a visual indicator on certain profiles to provide proof of authenticity, reduce impersonation, and increase transparency across the platform,” a Reddit admin (employee) wrote in a post. “This is currently only available to a *very* small (double-digit) number of profiles belonging to organizations with whom we already have existing relationships, and who are interested in engaging with redditors and communities on our platform.”

At least for me this looks like a really poor attempt to attract content creators into the platform, while shifting its focus from the content created and shared by the users to the users themselves, as in more typical social media platforms (such as Facebook, Twitter, TikTok). It's bound to fail - what made Reddit desirable for the users was the content that they shared among themselves, unlike in Twitter where a few personalities can "anchor" the rest of the userbase.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/930912

This is the user's 3rd post. Let's see how long before that is also taken down! 🤣

Screenshot:

Long-screenshot:

Edit: Seems like Lemmy just compresses long-screenshots, so here's imgur link:

https://i.imgur.com/3hrxeXt.jpg

Original post (this is the 3rd post, it was too late for me to see the other 2 posts):

https://old.reddit.com/r/place/comments/155emuz/so_i_cant_even_post_about_the_abuse_going_on_here/

Archive:

https://web.archive.org/web/20230721110216/https://old.reddit.com/r/place/comments/155emuz/so_i_cant_even_post_about_the_abuse_going_on_here/

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by violetgreendev@programming.dev to c/snoocalypse@lemmy.ml
 
 
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Users are already planning protest art. I personally wouldn't encourage people to join because it's more traffic for Reddit, but that's just me.

On other news, apparently requesting a subreddit now requires a 28d old account with 100+ karma.

EDIT: it's on again, since 20min ago:
The only two recognisable things are the "fuck spez" and nationalists spamming some government flag.

EDIT 2: better view:
I think that the meaning of the sentence in German up there should be rather obvious. It's on-topic.

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lvxferre@lemmy.ml to c/snoocalypse@lemmy.ml
 
 

The link contains db0's views on the ongoing state of Reddit, and I think that it's worth sharing here - both to document a piece of opinion, and as food for thought. The main points are:

  • a comparison between the current state of Reddit vs. Myspace near collapse;
  • the illusion that everything is fine based on "raw" numbers like engagement;
  • that Reddit was never a "good" site, but it had two positive points (open API and hands-off approach to communities), destroyed by the current events;
  • the ongoing progression of the Fediverse as alternative to Reddit;
  • the change in quality in both the content and the behaviour of the people still there.

The text mentions an article from Cory Doctorow. I've copied it to a pastebin, in case someone can't access it.

EDIT: I hope that the author doesn't mind, but I'll copy the contents of the article inside the spoilers below. Hopefully for mobile users it'll be a bit more accessible.

Reddit is a dead site running

from July 10, 2023

Yesterday I read the excellent article by Cory Doctorow: Let the Platforms Burn and this particular anecdote

"The thing is, network effects are a double-edged sword. People join a service to be with the people they care about. But when the people they care about start to leave, everyone rushes for the exits. Here’s danah boyd, describing the last days of Myspace:

If a central node in a network disappeared and went somewhere else (like from MySpace to Facebook), that person could pull some portion of their connections with them to a new site. However, if the accounts on the site that drew emotional intensity stopped doing so, people stopped engaging as much. Watching Friendster come undone, I started to think that the fading of emotionally sticky nodes was even more problematic than the disappearance of segments of the graph.
With MySpace, I was trying to identify the point where I thought the site was going to unravel. When I started seeing the disappearance of emotionally sticky nodes, I reached out to members of the MySpace team to share my concerns and they told me that their numbers looked fine. Active uniques were high, the amount of time people spent on the site was continuing to grow, and new accounts were being created at a rate faster than accounts were being closed. I shook my head; I didn’t think that was enough. A few months later, the site started to unravel.

This is exactly what is happening to Reddit currently. The most passionate contributors, the most tech-literate users, and the integrators who make all the free tools in the ecosystem around reddit which makes that service much more valuable have left and will never look back.

From the dashboards of u/spez however, things might looks great. Better even! As the drama around their decision making certainly caused a lot more posts and interactions, and the loss of the 3rd party apps drove at least a few users to the official applications.

But this is an illusion. Like MySpace before them, the metric might look good, but the soul of the site has been lost. It’s not easy to explain but since I’ve started using Lemmy full-time, I’ve seen the improvement in engagement and quality in real time. half a month ago, posts could barely pass 2 digits, now they regularly break 3 and sometimes 4 digits. And the quality of the discussions is a pleasure to go through.

I said it before, but reddit was never a particularly good site. Their saving grace was the openness of their API and their hands-off approach to communities. The two things they just destroyed. It’s those 3rd party tools and communities that made reddit like it is. As as the ecosystem around reddit sputters and dies, the one around the Threadiverse is progressing in an astonishing rate.

Not only are the integrators coming from reddit aware what kind of bots and tools are going to be very useful, but a lot of those tools are shut off from reddit and switched to the lemmy API instead, explicitly cannibalizing the quality of the reddit experience. And due to the completely open API of the Threadiverse, those tools now get access to unparalleled access and power.

Sure if you visit reddit currently, you’ll see people talking and voting, but as someone who’s been there from the start, the quality has fallen off a hill and is reaching terminal velocity. But it feels like one’s still flying!

Not just the quality of the posts where only the most superficial meme stuff can rise to the top, not just the quality of the discussion, but even mere vibe of the discussions is just lost.

There’s now significant bitterness and hostility, especially as the mods who were responsible for maintaining the quality, have gone or are being hands off or just don’t have the tools needed to keep up. I’ve heard from multiple people who are leaving even while they were not originally planning to, because the people left over in reddit are just so toxic.

This is a very vicious cycle which will accelerate the demise of that site even further.

A house fire can go from a spark to a raging inferno in less than a minute. The flames consuming reddit are just now climbing up the curtains and it still appears manageable, but it’s already too late. Reddit has reached terminal enshittification and the only thing left for it to do, is die.

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Excerpts from the link:

Fake internet points are finally worth something!
Now redditors can earn real money for their contributions to the Reddit community, based on the karma and gold they've been given.
How it works:

  • Redditors give gold to posts, comments, or other contributions they think are really worth something.
  • Eligible contributors that earn enough karma and gold can cash out their earnings for real money.
  • Contributors apply to the program to see if they're eligible.
  • Top contributors make top dollar. The more karma and gold contributors earn, the more money they can receive.

Not just anyone can be a contributor. To join and stay in the program, contributors need to meet a few requirements:\

  • Be over 18 and live in the U.S.
  • Only Safe for Work contributions qualify
  • Earn xx gold and karma each month
  • Provide verification information. You must have at least 10 gold and 100 karma to begin verification.
  • NSFW accounts aren't eligible for the Contributors Program

Here's my take on this. Since this is from the latest version of Reddit's ~~broken browser for a single site~~ "official app", it's likely a recent development, triggered by recent changes in the platform. Reddit Inc. is likely worried about contributors leaving due to the app-pocalypse, and is trying to counter it by throwing them some spare cash.

And I'm going to be honest: holy fuck this sounds like a Bad Idea®. For three reasons.

The first one is demographics; since 47% of the users are Americans, and 21% of them are 10-19yo, it's safe to say that ~60% of the users are ineligible, and thus will only contribute for free.

Will they? People often don't mind contributing for free, as long as the others are in the same page. The picture changes once you get at least someone making money out of it - odds are that those 60% will disengage further.

The second reason is that Reddit Inc. is disregarding the fluff principle. If the money threshold is the number of upvotes and awards that someone gets per period of time, why would the person bother with high quality content? Or even quality content at all - it's easy to make up for lack of quality with quantity. For example, setting up a simple bot to scrape the top posts and repost them. (Is Reddit expecting the mods to delete those reposts? OH WAIT)

The third and final reason is who you expect to give awards to those people, before they feel pissed and discouraged and leave the program, breaking even further their trust in the platform. Who would even buy Reddit gold on first place? The Reddit community has been outright mocking Reddit gold for years, and the suckers actually buying it were the ones who were the most engaged and emotionally attached to the platform, to the point that they're willing to "help" it. (As if corporations need help, but whatever.) It would be a shame if Reddit happened to piss off exactly that demographic... like it did.

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After the blackout I deleted all my posts and comments on reddit using the PowerDeleteSuite, and since then I've come back weekly to find comments existing on my account. I've been deleting them by hand now that the API is unusable. Does reddit pull these out of a backup? Do I just now see all of my comments? What's the reason these comments keep showing up?

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Excerpt from the text:

However, effective immediately, we plan to discontinue the following activities that we performed, as volunteer moderators, that took up a huge amount of our time and effort, both from a communication and coordination standpoint and from an IT/secure operations standpoint:

  1. Active solicitation of celebrities or high profile figures to do AMAs.
  2. Email and modmail coordination with celebrities and high profile figures and their PR teams to facilitate, educate, and operate AMAs. (We will still be available to answer questions about posting, though response time may vary).
  3. Running and maintaining a website for scheduling of AMAs with pre-verification and proof, as well as social media promotion.
  4. Maintaining a current up-to-date sidebar calendar of scheduled AMAs, with schedule reminders for users.
  5. Sister subreddits with categorized cross-posts for easy following.
  6. Moderator confidential verification for AMAs.
  7. Running various bots, including automatic flairing of live posts
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Plenty Google Search users were appending "site:reddit.com" to their searches to avoid SEO and get actual human answers. This became less useful with the blackouts, and Google is actually addressing it - through a new feature called "Perspectives". Allegedly the feature highlights forums and videos from social media (TikTok, YouTube, Reddit, Quora).

This means that those search users won't beeline towards Reddit anymore. Instead there's a reasonable chance that they end in Reddit's competitors, including Youtube (owned by Alphabet, the same parent company as Google Search).

Given that 47% of the traffic of Reddit comes from organic search, this is going to hurt. A lot.

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During the mastodon migration there was a script to find Twitter users on Mastodon based on info they put in their bio. Based on this link, we could automate some of that. Does anything already exist to do this?

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https://indieweb.social/@tchambers/110543786598049739

The continuation of a protest continues.

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