philpo

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[–] philpo 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just talked to a friend about it - he is head of a nursing home group in Central Europe.

He had multiple cases when they had relatives trying to do that. Funnily enough the main reason cited by the relatives was to stop other relatives from "doing something funny about the will" .

They actually have a policy when they place a hidden camera in cases of alleged property theft - but this is done in conjunction with the client, their relatives (if not the target), sometimes the court and done by a professional company in a way that the actual patient is not part of the picture/not compromised. (And it's paid for by the facility - they don't want a rotten apple as well)

[–] philpo 28 points 2 months ago

Nachdem ich Leute kenne die mit den Worten "die Italiener können mir eh keine Rechnung stellen" massiv zu schnell (und angetrunken) gefahren sind und sich berufsbedingt (Blaulichtbranche) meine Toleranz gegen null geht: Sehr gut!

Auf der anderen Seite weiß ich genau das ein Knöllchen auf mich wartet, war aber auch berechtigt,hab ich schlichtweg übersehen. (Also die Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung und den angekündigten Blitzer)

[–] philpo 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nein,die Aussage ist so nicht richtig.

Du hast tatsächlich einen hinreichenden Anteil an Patienten die gar nichts getrunken haben(Sturz auf dem Weg zum Zelt, internistisches Problem, Personal,etc.) oder deren Ereignis nix mit Alkohol zu tun hat weil sie kaum was getrunken haben(Sturz von der Bank,etc.).

Im Artikel sind ja u.a. die Verletzungen aus dem "Auftaktlauf" genannt.

Tatsächlich sind die klassischen "Volltrunken" Fälle viel weniger als man denkt und werden insgesamt auch weniger - die Bedienungen drehen den Leuten heute viel eher mal den Hahn zu, es wird viel mehr darauf geachtet, wer rein kommt,etc. (Was nicht heißt,dass es sie nicht zur Genüge gibt)

Source: Ein Jahrzehnt Einsatzkraft auf und um die Wiesn.

[–] philpo 1 points 2 months ago

If the patient would be fully competent there would not be a question if the money was taken by staff.

And nursing home patients are a highly vulnerable population - they are sadly often easily pressured into consenting by relatives. Consenting to a camera is even one of the less nefarious things they do consent to....I have seen far worse.

[–] philpo 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It is not their home. Period.

In your home you can also install a cooktop/hot plate, light a candle, paint the walls any colour you like. All of which you are not allowed to do in a nursing home.

And it is not the patient who wants the camera, it's a relative. And even in your home a hidden camera that monitors a family members toilet/bathroom would be very much illegal in most jurisdictions,even more so if the family members may be unable to decide on that matter competently.

Additionally it is a workplace. For professionals. Tbh: In almost all industrial nations it's far easier to find another client than find another carer. And due to all the causes I already mentioned in this topic almost all carers will be very uncomfortable with this situation - because,well they care about their clients a lot. And that also includes the dignity of their patients.

[–] philpo 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It is simply an issue of humanity as well - nursing care is an immensely private issue for most people.

Not many adults would want to be filmed when he/she is getting their diapers changed after they soiled themselves accidentally. If you ask most older folks they don't even want their kids/relatives to be doing that out of shame. Most wouldn't want their kids/relatives to even be present. (Note: This is highly dependent on the culture, though, I can only speak for Western&Arab clients here)

Now imagine being the patient and not even knowing whether someone is watching. Besides - we often don't know enough about the actual relationship between the kids and the client. I've seen old folks agree to a lot of shit simply because of pressure ("I won't come and visit you anymore if you don't sign this"), extortion ("I only bring the grandkids of you wire me amount XY") or downright abuse.

The later is also an issue: There are perverts all around the net. I know of at least one instance when a hidden camera (in that case placed by nurse) was used to stream nursing situation to a fetish site on the net. Thankfully by sheer luck the whole operation failed spectacularly before any harm was done.

(The nurse placed the cam while the patient was away to dialysis. The patient collapsed there and sadly passed away in hospital. The nurse was unable to retrieve the camera due to being quarantined due to COVID. A relative who was either in IT sec or a LEO-i can't remember -of the patient removed the belongings and found the camera. Nurse caught themselves on cam when installing the cam and was charged, sentenced to two years on probation, a high fine and banned from ever working in a care job again. The only reason why no actual prison sentence was handed out was the confession which helped in a larger case.)

[–] philpo 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

It does heavily impede the privacy of the client - it is massively intrusive as nursing care can be a very private matter for the patient, it does infringe on the privacy rights of the staff and opens up a whole lot of legal issues.

[–] philpo 3 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Yeah. It would be a crime in my jurisdiction anyway, but nevertheless basically every nursing home administration I worked with (and I have nursing homes in 7 countries as clients) would instantly react massively to a relative doing this.

We would advise them to ban the relative from entering the premises and then discuss if the contract should be cancelled. That very much depends on the individual circumstances - if it is a distant relative who is simply intrusive it's a different story to a situation when the offender is the main contact for the client, also the expected remaining contract time (in other words how long a patient is expected to live) should be considered.In special circumstances (dying patient) supervised visits of said relative may be considered.

[–] philpo 1 points 2 months ago (7 children)

No nursing home worth their money would and should allow this...

[–] philpo 5 points 2 months ago (13 children)

On the other hand it can lead to the nursing home ending the contract due to this - hidden surveillance of staff is definitely a reason to do so. They can also prohibit OP from entering the premises.

[–] philpo 5 points 2 months ago

That can actually be a sign of sleep apnea.

If you have other symptoms you might want to check that out.

[–] philpo 3 points 2 months ago

And before OpenOffice there was Star Office.

Now I feel old.

Especially as I also remember when I used to write with Lotus Word Pro.

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