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It is clear that the signal to noise ratio of the WWW is getting worse. It's much harder to find good content when using a good old search engine. And if it's good it is usually hosted on Reddit or Stackexchange.

So remember, even if it's easy too Google something (well, it isn't nowadays), we want to create a fediverse of good content that helps people (I hope). So, it's always better to write a real answer if you have the time and energy. Please help boost the SNR and reverse the AI fueled information degradation loop.

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[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also, fuck Google. I've been removing the word from my lexicon. I say, let me search (or research) that instead

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
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[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

IRL i'll say 'online search' or 'internet search' now, and no one ever asks me about that or tries to clarify with 'google?', so the message seems to be coming across just fine.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

“Check the documentation” should absolutely be a retort though.

One of my least favorite things about the fediverse (and especially Discord and Reddit) is members asking the same simple question hundreds of times because they didn’t bother to do a simple search and didn’t bother to check obvious documentation.

They didn’t know the documentation exists? OK, I will happily show you, and show you how to find it in general. Question only partially novel? Great, I will link an old answer and explain the rest… But I am kinda fed up with how “ephemeral” social media is, which is by design, as that repetitiveness increases engagement dramatically. Many forums should be structured more like a wiki, and its users should reflect that.

[–] sith@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago (5 children)

That kind of behavior can also be a sign that the documentation is hard to find or hard to comprehend. Or that something isn't documented at all, but the seniors imagine it is, because the answer is obvious to them.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Me. This is me. I'm trying to figure out linux.

"How do I do.....something"

"Oh, that's easy! Just do this and this and this. Make sure you check that that and that."

"Ok.......now how do I do the things you just said?"

"Just do those things the right way."

"I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THOSE TERMS MEAN, LET ALONE HOW TO DO THEM!!!"

"Ugh, this guy can't even follow simple directions. What part of that do you not understand???"

"Uhhhhhh......core concepts?"

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Maybe they read the documentation and the documentation doesn't clearly answer their question.

You can always just ignore their question if you don't want to answer. Let someone else do it.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Rtfm and LMGTFY by themselves aren't useful. They're the equivalent of posting "me too".

If you think that the answer is in the manual and they haven't read it, post a link to the manual. Double helpful if you reference the section.

If you think the answer is on Google, I think we can assume everyone knows to try that first, so then no reply is needed. If it's a particularly tricky search to phrase, maybe help with a link with a searchable phrase in it.

But not replying is always a useful thing to do if you're not adding to the conversation.

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[–] Mikina@programming.dev 21 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I've never had issues with looking anything up. By downranking Reddit and using a search engine with a good indexer that downranks bullshit and generated websites, which mine is really good at, I haven't noticed much change from how it was before.

But I agree with the second part. That's something that never occured to me, and it makes sense. I was usually trying to answer questions I knew, and never had the urge to reply "just google it", so it doesn't change much for me, but it's a really good point I never realized.

[–] sith@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 week ago

Remember that most people don't even know there is something called "rankings" or "indexer" in this context.

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago

When I ask someone for clarification via their expertise, I usually reflexively indicate that I cannot trust google because of the incursion of AI slop, and even if it shows THEM accurate results, it is no guarantee that it will show ME those same results.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Search engines are mega sucky these days, but Wikipedia has never been better. I find myself going straight to wiki any time I need a quick fact or basic info.

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[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The most useful thing about interacting with another human mind is that it can see when the question needs to be updated in order to get a correct answer.

A crude example would be:

Q1: how many screws should I use to join these pieces of wood?

A1: It's more relevant to use screws which are long enough.

Q2: Which screws should I use?

A2: This size.

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[–] Philosofuel@futurology.today 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I've noticed that a lot of people are just really bad in using the right searching terms, and then quickly shifting through all the info to find the right information. Googling well truly is a skill. Though be it a strange one.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

Yes please don't do this. Google doesn't need more support either from search activity or inclusion into the vernacular. If someone is asking in the fediverse which is still a relatively small community, they are expressing a degree of patience with their answer that suggests they've already tried search and came up dissapointed or they are really lacidasical about their question and won't really mind if you just ignore it and move on. Taking the time to tell someone to websearch something is even more pathetic than a "this" reply.

[–] RQG@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

While I don't think we can beat AI driven content degradation by outposting them, I still agree posting 'just Google it' does any good either.

Post an answer or link a topic which covered the same question in detail. But directing people to Google isn't something I'd advocate. Maybe tell them to Ecosiate it if you really have to.

Also it's just rude and creates an uninviting admosphere around here Imo.

But the AI issue can't be solved by users alone. It's moderation and maybe regulation which is needed here.

[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"Just ChatGPT it" is going to become a thing.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Until it gets paywalled

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

"Just make shit up" is basically saying the same thing.

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[–] ted@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Even if you want to be snarky, at least do something like:

I [googled it](searchresult.com) for you.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

Alternatively

I googled it for you

> Copy pasted answer in case the source disappears

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Remeber for a while there used to be this website you'd create a link, which would direct you to a portal that would type your question into Google and hit enter. It was let me google that for you dot com or something.

It always felt like such a passive aggressive dick move 😂 when people just wanted answers from a real human they could interact with

We're all stupid about some things, but googling stuff has genuinely gotten harder these days. The answers are full of ads and AI garbage

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