A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it's related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, KBin, etc).
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Younger folks have been raised on apps and other polished devices with oodles of effort put into UX design.
Older folks grew up learning DOS commands, memorizing the IRQ of their sound card, and other clunky shenanigans.
In their current state Lemmy, Mastodon and other services are too complicated for most young folks to bother with. Not all, but most, especially the filthy casuals.
This is the answer. I'm 26 and most of my peers didn't really use the internet beyond the occasional usage of the school library computers until Apple released the first iPhone. By that time places like Twitter, Facebook, and Reddit were up and running.
That's all their experience with the internet is. Polished experiences through dedicated apps on extremely popular platforms. Now those people have had kids and all those kids know is the same thing. It's all apps on phones and tablets.
Lemmy: A) Is too complicated in it's current form for those types of people to effectively understand and use.
B) Lemmy is currently emulating a type of early internet experience that only nostalgic older millennials nerds crave. General users tend to prefer bigger platforms.
Lemmy is nostalgic? Lemmy is novelty for me. Looks and feels so modern. Simplistic, yet modern. Am I weird?
No I feel the same way. I think it’s because it’s part of an ecosystem of concepts built with all its predecessors mistakes in mind. There’s still learning to do but the foundation is simple but is also modern.
yeah, too modern. perhaps they're using a third party client?
Hello,
Are you aware you are replying to a year old comment?
Also, for less modern: https://old.lemmy.world/
i am also using a third party client
I mean, Reddit killed off ‘polished UX’ and that’s what drove me here. All the great 3PAs are on the Fediverse, after all!
I'm 26, probably among the oldest of gen z. I love lemmy. The quality is higher here because the community is smaller. There are much less reports than there used to be on reddit.
Yeah Im like one of the youngest with an age of 14.But thats okay because lemmy is just awesome for me.
Word! I feel active learning and feeding off one's brain curiosity diminished for younger folx.
With that comes laziness to "set things up". "OMG, it's too complicated for me. I'm having a headache. I can't, I just can't."
Couldn't agree more
We are used to Comfort and once you are used to it (or even never experienced else) its hard to lay it off for other benefits
I use Ivory for browsing Mastodon, and I’d bet that the app is more polished than any other first-party social media app.
The problem with Mastodon (and Lemmy to some extent) is that the onboarding process is not as straightforward, thus causing some friction for the less tech-savvy users.
My Soundblaster used IRQ 7. Why do I still know this.
Because when the great reset happens and VHS is hot shit again, you'll be ready.
Ahh, the great modem connection sounds, letting you know that the internet was only just (roughly) 2 minutes away. Or longer.
56k4life
I'm Gen Z, don't use Linux, don't know the first thing about programming (I know how to use file explorer though), and never intend to learn, and I'm here because I don't wanna use the official Reddit app and because I'm convinced that the Fediverse is likely to become big in the future and I wanna be able to say I was here when it all began.
This is me as well. gen z, hate that trillion dollar corporations run our social media. The fediverse is the future.
Young people don't even understand that the internet isn't only the 5 websites that have existed since before they were born lol
That's probably a big part of it. We kind of designed the internet to become an information super oligarchy, even if it wasn't intentional.
I'm 33 for the record so I guess I'm an older tech nerd. Nice. 😎
My take on this is not that this is the default early adopter demographic (bereal, TikTok, etc…cmon old dudes don’t act like we are “leading the charge”). But, there’s a good chunk of older tech oriented folks that see a glimmer of hope in the fediverse bringing back some bits of the “old web” imo.
While most of the people like me don’t love meta or Twitter it was kinda good enough, but Reddit was kind of a last straw. I was there when all these companies were born and at the time we were all teen and 20-something early adopters (believe it or not even Facebook used to be cool!) and we’ve watched them all slowly degrade. Very young folks prob don’t care as they don’t really use any of these services, but us old nerds want to avoid the pitfalls of the Web 2.0 era.
Web3 and the crypto-decentralization efforts were really ham fisted…I think most experienced techies saw through all the BS and recognized how wildly inefficient it all was, not to mention outright scammy in many cases. Fediverse is unproven but I think it has potential, and I think many of us older techies feel that way.
Even as a crypto enthusiast, the web3 movement smelled like VC manure being dumped on a field hoping something grows.
While most crypto/web3 ended up being get rich quick schemes for their founders, I actually think that the main weakness of lemmy right now will be funding for the long term. So some sort of web3 type micropayment system may need to be the eventual alternative if you don’t want a reddit style ad infested experience.
That's what I'm here for lol. I mean this is how reddit was when I first started there. Same with digg
That’s what I’m here for lol. I mean this is how reddit was when I first started there. Same with digg
This is what people always miss. Generally, sites become popular because niche subcultures form outside of the "big" websites as they no longer really serve their purpose of connecting to like minded individuals. They never "start big", they generally snowball from small hardcore users to larger more generalized userbases over time.
It's also used by loads of tankies
Unfortunately true. Blocking features generally work pretty well though at least.
Perhaps it's because people under 30 have no sense of responsibility so don't really care to communicate much with peers. They don't have the means to bring systems like this online. They don't have the historical perspective to take part in intelligent conversation, so they have Twitter and Facebook.
aka: early tech adopters!
these folk are always the ones trying new things, especially anti-corporate things. They aren't keeping people away. this is just how the bleeding edge of new technology. The communities natural grow out over time as more people show up and start to outnumber them. But it's thanks to them that niche new stuff gets supported in the first place while it builds up it's audience (and reduces the friction to joining)
In reddit's early days, it was exactly like this. I remember that it felt like a Linux user forum, but with some conspiracy theorists. I actually feel that lemmy is a little more diverse than that.
I started back in the Wild West BBS days on the 80s; graduated to USENET in the 90s, website forums in the Web 1.0 days, /., Reddit, and now Lemmy. Yeah, I’ve been around. Been “Yaztromo” all that time too.
I don’t mind that “Eternal September” hasn’t infected this space yet — that’s a feature, not a bug!
I don't know what you're talking about, I'm just your average Hollywood celebrity here to promote my new movie "Barbie", only in theaters July 21st.
● under 30
● i mean im getting there in terms of tech interests
● Yeah ok i use linux
Maybe I'm am outlier but I'm 21 and here.
Noooooo.
as a young IT with friends who dont know much about IT i have to say that most around 20 use reddit, instagram, ... cause its the only thing they know. everyone they know uses them and many of them want likes, ...
if they would join the fediverse:
=> give it a few more years and get your friends, family & collegues on here and see the fediverse grow
Picking a server is complicated... And I still don't get how to get content from other servers into my main feed.
But the other thing is monitization. If you build up a decent filling on TikTock for example, they pay you. My kids friends are all chasing that.
I agree.
To get content from other servers in your main feed you just have to subscribe to the community you want to see the content from. If you are using the website go to "Communities" located at the top bar. When you use the app there should be also a button called "communities" or similar. On the website by default only communities of your own server are shown so select "All" at the top left. Then just select a community you like and press subscribe.
Good. I don't want to see some teenagers doing some dumb dance or whatever is on normie platforms.
But then how will we know if our drip is bussin'?
With that said, early adopters are often tech enthusiasts. As the user base grows, so will the content and diversify itself.
Inaccurate. I mostly use mac and only do linux on the side ;)
Not yet 30 and can't be bothered with Linux on desktop
I would say picking a server. Regular users shouldn't be bothered with that. I wouldn't say multiple server choice is a bad thing, it's actually great thing, but regular users shouldn't be bothered with that. Maybe hide server selection behind advanced section or something like that, so regular users aren't bothered with that, but more tech savy users can still find that option if they would like to. And default option for server can be lemmy.world for example (or any other server). If using lemmy is too dificult for regular users and learning curve is too big, they will not bother with that and they will just leave. I am using Connect for Lemmy now and I think lemmy.world is selected by default. I am just using it and I was never bothered with concept of multiple servers, and I really like that I don't have to worry about that.
Absolutely It's really nice how this affects the tech related serious communities but damn is it heartbreaking how bad the memes here are
is it heartbreaking how bad the memes here are
May I interest you in some beans in those trying times?
I'm not surprised, as using it pretty much requires requires some premeditation, you have to pick an instance to register with just to get started. IMO, that's a very low hurdle, and I see the root of the perceived problem less in using the fediverse being too complicated, but in internet users becoming increasingly uneducated due to every large operator of internet services and smartphone OS manufacturer dumbing down everything to the point where actually thinking about what you're doing isn't required anymore. Thanks to this, to many internet users these days, many web services they interact with aren't a service on the internet, but an app on their phone.
I know the internet from before social media like we know them today became a thing, in comparison, anything fediverse is way easier to use than the plethora of separate services (forums, wikis, dozens of different chat services, some, most notably, IRC, with thousands of different servers) that were the norm in the past.
I don't see that so slightly higher hurdle for entering the fediverse as a problem, I don't necessarily want to interact with the kind of people who are too dumb to even figure out how to register an account on a web service.
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frick, I check all three boxes (36, software developer and currently a KDE Neon user)