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Tipping in America has expanded into unexpected areas, with 72% of Americans saying it is expected in more places than five years ago, according to Pew Research.

While tipping can release feel-good neurotransmitters, a Bankrate survey found two-thirds of Americans now view it negatively, and one-third feel it’s “out of control.”

Critics highlight issues like social pressure and wage inequality, while businesses attempting no-tipping models, like a New York wine bar, have struggled to sustain them.

Many believe tipping culture has become excessive, with calls for reform growing.

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[–] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

I've stopped shopping anywhere where tipping is required. Tyvm I'll order online and pick up my food myself.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 1 points 41 minutes ago

In New Zealand, as far as we’re concerned, Tipping is a city in China.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

They still ask for a tip for this. It is a lot easier to refuse online though vs some stupid iPad register.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

anywhere where tipping is required.

If it's required, it's a fee not a tip.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm no longer tipping just because the stupid kiosk asks me to and making me feel guilty... If it's not a normally tipped position such as server, bartender, or barista, I'm going to default to tapping no. It's gotten ridiculous.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago

A vape shop I go to added it to their checkout kiosk. These people are literally just ringing up my purchase for me like any other retail cashier. I fucking hate it because they just stand there staring at me as I'm forced to decline the tip as if it's reflective of their service and not the fact that it's a bullshit system.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rm9sbG93ZXJz

Be careful, that didn't work out well in X-Files.

Joking, of course.

I've heard claims that POS software now turns tipping on by default as part of the problem. I'd rather business owners just take care of their employees.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, us neurodivergent people don't get dopamine hits from that kind of thing. We know the money isn't really going to the worker in many cases anyway. It's just going directly to the business to pay their employees normal wages which should be part of the cost of the product, not an add on charge. It just means they didn't have to raise their prices with inflation.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago

But the anger/annoyance hits are plentiful!

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 86 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Fuck all tipping. Fuck unclear prices. Fuck variable service.

Put clear prices. Expect consistent service. Pay fair wages.

If it's about low pay. Why not expect businesses to pay fair liveable wages like every other industry?

If it's about quality of service. Why do you not expect good service every time? Why do you not also tip your doctor for good service or the construction workers who ensured the roads are good for you to use?

Idiotic inconsistencies and morons everywhere defending it. Only in recent years are people finally taking notice, but 10 years ago oh I'm an asshole for suggesting tipping should be banned in favor of consistency, clear prices, and fair wages.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

A lot of tipped workers defend it because waiters can make good money for their qualifications, but what they don't understand is that they should be making that amount of money without requiring tips.

The problem is that when a restaurant increases prices, they don't share the extra income with the staff.

Hell, Subway has doubled the prices in like 3 years AND started asking for tips for the staff.

I mean, if you're the asshole for suggesting it, then I'm right there being an asshole with you. I still tip, because I want the people who serve me to be able to take care of themselves, but ideally, that shouldn't be my fucking responsibility. It should be their employer's. It's a fucking barbaric system that puts service workers' ability to put food on the table in the hands of entitled Karens and reduces them to begging for a decent wage.

There's a cider bar that opened in my town recently with a strict no-tipping policy, and holy shit, is it ever refreshing to not have to deal with that rigamarole.

[–] hdnsmbt@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If it were about quality of service, you would tip before receiving the service. The waiter doesn't know how much you're gonna tip, so their quality of service will never change.

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That’s the weirdest argument ever. You tip on the basis of the quality of service. The server learns from feedback and training how to improve quality. It’s not a one and done situation, but a constant feedback and refinement.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

It's not that weird. Think of it like paying upfront for "the Cadillac service" where they treat you like a king versus someone else paying for the barebones service where they just do the bare minimum like at a car wash where you can buy different levels of a wash.

The only disconnect here is that tips are typically a percentage of your bill and you don't necessarily know what that'll be up-front but you could still commit to a specific percentage.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago

Don't forget to tip your landlord!

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

at tobacco shop

POS: add a tip?

...for what, death?

[–] tektite@slrpnk.net 1 points 12 hours ago

The other day I had a cashier say just "Do you want to round up?" without specifying any particular reason.

Usually when I've been asked, they'll say it's for charity or whatever... but not this place.

Do you want to just give us a little bit of extra money while you're here?

[–] brianary@startrek.website 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

With no taxes on tips (if it actually happens), expect a HUGE increase in tip expectations.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

Also with the elimination of overtime pay (if it happens) workers will doubly be expecting higher tips.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 146 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (24 children)

If your business can't survive without my tips, you don't have a viable business.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 56 points 1 day ago

But also, if you can't survive without my tips, you're probably working in the American service sector.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Other than the idiotic healthcare system and politics, tipping is probably my least favorite thing about the US. No-tipping works elsewhere, and it can work in the US.

[–] Bophades@midwest.social 62 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I bought a couple of sweaters online today, and the order form asked for a tip.

No.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 60 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There's an option to tip at the self check out at my grocery store. The fuck ám I tipping? It's self check out. Am I tipping myself? Fuck these people

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

You're just giving the large corporation a little walking around money, for their wonderful service, of profitably running a store! You're so nice!

[–] holycrap@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You're tipping the kiosk that provided the service. I guess.

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[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago

I still tip, but if I see a tip screen I clear it and then add a tip or not or tip cash

[–] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 day ago (11 children)

This is the dark side of Nudge theory. People need to practise refusing and it will stabilize. I tip handsomely when I want to and I refuse when I don't. Sometimes I feel irrational guilt. I sit with the guilt for a while, then it's gone.

Tip when you want as much as you want and no more. Refuse to listen to anyone who tells you that this is morally wrong.

Peace.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] 4lan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This. Make people quit their serving jobs because of the lack of tips. Create a demand for servers that forces employers to actually pay a living wage.

Every single time you tip you are perpetuating this system. Stop.

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[–] Corigan@lemm.ee 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Being overwhelmed with tip prompts has broken my tipping guilt. I feel like half the time people work don't get or see those tips.

Sit down restaurants absolutely. Delivery yeah.

Pick up nah, you walk something 2 feet to me nah. Fuck tipping culture, pay your people right and charge accordingly don't keep tacking on shit, tip charge, service charge, every other fucking sneak at the bill only charge now a days.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was at a sit down recently where the lowest tip selectable without entering a dollar amount was 18%. 10% used to be the standard for competent service, 15%-20% for outstanding service. Now the quality of service is worse because they're underataffed, and they expect me to tip more?? Get real.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

The lowest "suggested" option has crept up to 20% in many places. A 15% tip is already adjusted for inflation. Now you want 20?

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[–] astrsk@fedia.io 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Apparently there are now tip prompts on digital payment terminals for payday loans…

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