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They support Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini, HuggingChat, and Mistral.

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[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

why a fucking chatbot? translate a page better for me you fucking losers, all the translation options suck for privacy outside of specifically trained local AIs. this is the BEST use case for a small local LLM yet mozilla with all its brains and resources couldnt rub two neurons together for this.

or they could do character prediction on your typing to make typing faster. just some legit examples, why waste resources to build a chat ai into my browser when i can just open a website???

[–] Midnitte@beehaw.org 7 points 1 day ago

Perhaps Mozilla’s biggest "failure" is just communication...

Firefox actually has this now.

[–] Eiri@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I wish I had telemetry on such features.

I really doubt a significant number of people use AI chatbots often enough that having it in a dedicated sidebar is worth it.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

I've never had the urge to use a chat bot personally, but I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority. Lots of people use these things all the time for so much stuff we probably wouldn't even consider.

I've worked with a few people that all but rely on these things to produce any creative work they have to do.

Maybe we run in different circles but I think a lot of people don't even talk about how they're using it.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I wish I had telemetry

I'm sure they do as Mozilla is an ad company

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They better not decide to enable it by default.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

it's not enabled by default ... it's opt out by default

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

if third-party accounts are needed, it'll have to stay that way.

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

oh good. hurray.

[–] onlooker@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

For a second I thought it said "experimental failure". Would be more accurate, I think.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 16 points 1 day ago

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/ai-chatbot

Note that you need an account to use one of these supported systems. HuggingChat allows for a few connections as a gues before cutting the access; basically a trial version, so you have to create an account.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Are any of these open source or trustworthy?

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are no open source ai models, even if they tell you that they are. HuggingFace is the closest thing to as something like open source where you can download ai models to run locally without internet connection. There are applications for that. In Firefox the HuggingChat uses models from HuggingFace, but I think it is running them on a server and does not download from?

The reason why they are not open source is, because we don't know exactly on what data they are trained on. We cannot rebuild them on our own. And for trustworthy, I assume you are talking about the integration and the software using the models, right? At least it is implemented by Mozilla, so there is (to me) some sort of trust involved. Yes, even after all the bullshit I trust Mozilla.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

It's "open weights" if they are publishing the model file but nothing about its creation. There's some hypothetical security concerns with training it to give very specific outputs for certain very specific inputs but I feel like that's one of those kind of far fetched worries especially if you want to use it for chat or summarization and the comparison is getting AI output from a server API. Local is still way better.

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think Mistral is model-available (ie I'm not sure if they release training data/code but they do release model shape and weights), huggingchat definitely is open source and model-available

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

~~Sorry but HuggingChat / HuggingFace and all models on it are not open source~~ (Edit: Oh you meant the UI HuggingChat is Open Source. Yeah sorry, I was focused on the models. And there is no Open Source model from my understanding.) -> https://opensource.org/ai/open-source-ai-definition Off course opensource.org is not the only authority on what the word opensource means, but its not a bad start.

[–] festnt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

probably not

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

as someone who's never dabbled with ai bots, what does this feature do? is it only to query for information like a web search?

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is a sidebar that sends a query from your browser directly to a server run by a giant corporation like Google or OpenAI, consumes an excessive amount of carbon/water, then sends a response back to you that may or may not be true (because AI is incapable of doing anything but generating what it thinks you want to see).

Not only is it unethical in my opinion, it's also ridiculously rudimentary...

[–] TheMachineStops@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It gives you many options on what to use, you can use Llama which is offline. Needs to be enabled though about:config > browser.ml.chat.hideLocalhost.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

and thus is unavailable to anyone who isn't a power user, as they will never see a comment like this and about:config would fill them with dread

[–] TheMachineStops@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Lol, that is certainly true and you would need to also set it up manually which even power users might not be able to do. Thankfully there is an easy to follow guide here: https://ai-guide.future.mozilla.org/content/running-llms-locally/.

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[–] Furball@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It just adds ChatGPT or similar to your sidebar. Chatbots can do a lot of things, they are mostly good for information research and technical help, although they have serious flaws like hallucinating false information sometimes

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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

From the description in the UI, it does sound like it. Theoretically, a chatbot could be created where you can ask questions about the webpage you have currently opened, so if you don't want to read a long article, for example. I guess, you could probably just throw a link into an existing chatbot either way, but yeah, direct integration might be convenient either way.

Well, or a chatbot could be created, which has access to your browser history, bookmarks and tabs, so you can ask it when you last saw certain information. However, you'd need a locally running chatbot for that, which makes it more difficult to implement.

[–] festnt@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

good question

[–] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Could this replace Perplexity for (assisted free) online search?

[–] graphito@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 day ago

The chat isn't the point, it's needed as interface for storing your logins to summarization features

When internet is written by ai, you do need a tldr

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