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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 43 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The left needs to get on board with this. Govt isn’t going to protect you from far right militias when the shit hits the fan.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

They're going to pardon the militias like Wheels McGee did to that protester murderer in Texas.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Feuer frei!

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 9 hours ago

Remember that step 2 is to practice!

[–] Ekybio@lemmy.world 59 points 12 hours ago

With sentiment like "your body, my choice" floating around more and more, I hope that everyone in need will arm themselves accoringly.

Because the guys on the other guys think they are made of steel. Remind them that they have a lot of very vulnerable blood vessels close to the skin and that knifes are as cheap as their lies...

[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (21 children)

Why are Americans answers to everything guns? So much paranoia and mental health issues in this country it's insane.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 60 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I do not blame any woman or queer person arming themselves in the U.S. right now. But I think that you should think of it as personal protection rather than preparation for something larger.

Be aware of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews

The Jews of Germany constituted less than 1 percent of the country's population. It is preposterous to argue that the possession of firearms would have enabled them to mount resistance against a systematic program of persecution implemented by a modern bureaucracy, enforced by a well-armed police state, and either supported or tolerated by the majority of the German population. Mr. Carson's suggestion that ordinary Germans, had they had guns, would have risked their lives in armed resistance against the regime simply does not comport with the regrettable historical reality of a regime that was quite popular at home. Inside Germany, only the army possessed the physical force necessary for defying or overthrowing the Nazis, but the generals had thrown in their lot with Hitler early on.

Obviously, women and queer people are a lot more than 1% of the population, but you can't count on every queer person being on the right side and you certainly can't count on every woman to be on the right side.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 14 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

The second amendment was not made for personal protection

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

It was also opposed by George Washington on the argument that "A bunch of farmers with guns will never defeat a trained army." He basically did exactly that, but it took the support of one of the world's largest super powers at the time in order to do it - France.

Not to say don't arm yourself. I plan on doing exactly that myself. But don't expect to be overthrowing the dictatorship to come. There are no resistance groups being armed by the EU here.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Washington was talking about the militias that were present in the early parts of the war that were under trained and undisciplined. The red coats took them easily and they fled often so the continental congress started the continental army lead by Washington, which was a trained and disciplined army in the style of European standing armies, which was able to take on and even defeat the British occasionally.

After the war the ruling elite still had this idealized vision of citizen militias protecting the liberty of white man and saw it as a less tyrannical, and cheaper model then the European professional standing army and made the second amendment to encourage it. Washington was saying that that system failed and will never work and that we should have a trained army ready to take on European powers if they come back.

Now we have the worst of both worlds, a massive army that gobbles up tax dollars and a bunch of untrained citizens with guns who barely understand what a militia is much less can protect the liberty of the nation.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, pretty much what I was getting at. We live in a country where everybody believes themselves to be the hero in their own Rambo style action movie.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

"Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?"

Edit: I can't be the only person who's seen Die Hard.

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[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Getting another superpower to arm Americans is like putting a hat on a hat

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

that was before tanks and instant communication. the army would have been less organized and maybe you could have a chance against the government, especially as a militia. today you don't.

you do have a chance against a bunch of fuckwads who threaten you because the party they voted for won and the think they can rape freely now. just not the government.

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[–] zabadoh@ani.social 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That is historically true, unfortunately the conservative artificial supermajority Supreme Court doesn't respect its own precedents and historical facts.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

I mean the Supreme Court can say what they like. But their power is derived by the people. It can be taken back.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What a bunch of slave-owners thought about guns hundreds of years ago is not really relevant to today.

And if you're going to attack someone for thinking people should be armed for the wrong reason, maybe you should find better targets.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (8 children)

Whoa, I’m not attacking you. I have a difference in opinion as to why people should be armed. Not saying that one does not have a right to self defense, just that i put stock in the need to collectively hold the government accountable and fight tyranny

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

When're you gonna start?

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[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Ive had one for a while. It's not something I hope to ever use, but now it's less likely that an armed person will be coming after me for my money, which I can just give and not have to kill to defend myself, and more likely they're coming for my life.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 45 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Can confirm, my wife has expressed an interest. We're just waiting for the local LGBTQ friendly range to open.

The other local ranges are either run by cops (ACAB) or require NRA memberships to join. Yeah, that's not happening.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

Sometimes you have to open the gun range you wish to see in your neighborhood.

Or something like that. I think Gandhi said it.

[–] themadcodger@kbin.earth 8 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Hey, you're in PDX, right? Do you have recommendations?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

The one we're waiting on is called Wooster Armory in Tigard/Beaverton. Kinda by Washington Square, by the Guitar Center. The gunshop is open, but it looks like they're having trouble getting the range open. I'm going to pop in and say "Hi!" today and see what the deal is.

Threat Dynamics in Sherwood is good too, I did my AR training there.

Edit Wooster is now saying January for members, February for the public.

[–] themadcodger@kbin.earth 2 points 4 hours ago

Perfect, thank you!

[–] BuckWylde@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

As a fellow PDXer this is valuable information.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Stay strapped or get clapped...

It feels like they picked the worst screenshot intentionally though when talking about that YouTuber...

Like, maybe it's a new kind of magnifier that you flip up to use instead of off to the side to not use. But that AR just doesn't look like whoever built it knew what they were doing.

Like the BLM protests where it was obvious people went out and bought ARs just for the event and didn't even put sights on beforehand.

That being said don't wander around gun YouTube on your account it only takes a couple videos for the algorithm to decide you're a gun nut, and that comes along with a bunch of other rightwing videos, because normally it does.

But Reagan is the one who passed Cali's gun laws, and he did so because people he didn't like were marching with guns.

Obviously it would have made more sense to start when Biden was in office, but it seems like unless protestors carry guns, the cops will just beat them without a second thought.

If they even think some have guns tho... Cops won't do shit.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If cops get return fire in a (leftist) protest/riot, they'll come back with MRAPs and live rounds and re-enact Kent State. They live for that moment.

Oh, and that magnifier is on a Unity FAST mount, and yes, it flips up to get in position. It's on a higher sight plane along with the Eotech to help with shooting while using things like night vision goggles, and a lot of people say it's more natural and comfortable for fast shooting in general. It's actually some Gucci shit and looks squared away to me.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

Weird, I never saw one of those before, but if it works it's way better than hanging off to the side.

And I think you're forgetting how much cops are cowards. They won't go into a school when it's one kid with an AR and they have a seat team.

They'll say they want a firefight all fucking day, when they get the opportunity they shit their pants.

But we know how they treat unarmed protestors, and the difference when there's guns present.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Good. Gun rights are human rights. All people have the right to defend themselves and those around them. Taking that away by banning the only tool that evens the playing field is not OK.

[–] 1ns1p1d@lemm.ee -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I defend myself with a tiger and feed it highschool kids. Statistically, I'm an insignificant lunatic.

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[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Just ignore all the dead kids. They're not part of this discussion.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 18 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (17 children)

There is going to be a lot more dead minority and marginalised people if they don't make it possibly lethal to fuck with them.

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[–] maplebar@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

Too bad they didn't take up voting before Trump's loss...

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