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A Malaysian court has ordered the country's government to return 172 rainbow-coloured watches it seized from watchmaker Swatch last year.

The government said it took the timepieces from the Swiss company because they featured "LGBT elements" - homosexuality is illegal in Muslim-majority Malaysia and punishable by up to 20 years in prison.

However, a court ruled the government did not have a warrant to confiscate the items and a law prohibiting their sale was only passed later, making the seizure unlawful.

Malaysia's Home Affairs minister Saifuddin Nasution Ismail said the government's legal team will need to "examine the basis of the judgement" before deciding to appeal against the order.

He said the government "must respect the decision, or else it would be viewed as contempt of court".

He went on to say his ministry may appeal against the ruling but must first "examine the basis of the judgement thoroughly".

Authorities raided Swatch shops across Malaysia in May 2023, but an order prohibiting sale of the watches was not issued until August 2023.

Therefore, Swatch had not committed an offence at the time of the seizure, the court ruled.

But the prohibition order has not been overturned, so although the watches - worth $14,000 (£10,700) - have been returned they cannot be sold.

The authorities must hand back the items within 14 days, government prosecutor Mohammad Sallehuddin Md Ali told the Kuala Lumpur High Court today.

Swatch took legal action contesting the seizure in June 2023, arguing the product was "not in any way capable of causing any disruption to public order or morality or any violations of the law".

Homosexuality is illegal under both secular and religious laws in Malaysia.

Swatch described the Pride flag as a "symbol of humanity that speaks for all genders and races", but at the time of the confiscation, the Malaysian government claimed the acronym "LGBTQ" could be found on the watches themselves.

The Swiss manufacturer argued the company's reputation had been damaged and business had suffered after the seizures.

Malaysian authorities claimed the watches "may harm... the interests of the nation by promoting, supporting and normalising the LGBTQ+ movement that is not accepted by the general public".

The Swatch Group declined to comment.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 53 minutes ago

Wow all this anti homosexuality law. There must be no gays in Malaysia right? Just like how there were no drugs after the war on drugs and no alcohol during the prohibition.

Gays exist and will always exist. Just let them be ffs.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 18 points 17 hours ago

I'm reading this as: "these watches make me think of dick and I can't come to terms with that".

[–] starbrite@lemmy.zip 14 points 17 hours ago (2 children)
[–] DerArzt@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago

Fuck religious zealots that push their beliefs onto others

FTFY

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago

Yeah. Also every other religion.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 22 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine making colors illegal.

[–] blackluster117@possumpat.io 8 points 18 hours ago

Talk about not having anything better to do with your time.

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 18 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The reasoning isn't even good.

However, a court ruled the government did not have a warrant to confiscate the items and a law prohibiting their sale was only passed later, making the seizure unlawful.

We in the West take our freedoms for granted far too often.

[–] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 15 points 17 hours ago

Not for long hahahaha

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 18 points 21 hours ago

Collecting 'Malasyan homosexual timepieces' can become someone's hobby due to how they are limited and inaccessible.

[–] tamiya_tt02@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why is the time always 10:10 on display watches?

[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 36 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

It's an old tradition. It seems the reason is simply because the disposition of the watch's hands are more aesthetically pleasing this way.

[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 22 points 22 hours ago

That, and a practical process of elimination.

Balance always looks good, in all things, so it's desirable to have one hand on the left and one on the right, in a mirror of each other.

You don't want to obscure the 9 or 3 positions because that's where important elements like the day and date display will occupy.

You also don't want to get too close to the 12 position because that would cover up the maker's logo.

Wjth those constraints in mind, it's a choice between like 10:10 or 8:20. Of the two, 8:20 points downwards and looks 'sad' and 'droopy' whereas 10:10 is upward and positive, and also acts like a frame to give the maker's logo even more attention.

So 10:10 it is.

[–] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 6 points 20 hours ago

Here's an interesting article about all this including some myths and other exceptions to 10:10 and 08:20 rule.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago

Watchmakers love Ben 10

[–] 3ntranced@lemmy.world 11 points 21 hours ago

Good job Malaysia, you stopped the infiltration of 'Big Gay'