Zionism at its most reductive and ideal is the idea that Jewish people should have a state/homeland that will never persecute them for being Jewish.

In theory, that is what Joe Fucking Biden meant when he told a crowd of Jewish people that he was a Zionist.

The problem starts when you start asking questions like: "How do you do that?" and the actual Zionists, surprisingly, aren't that interested in the creation of a secular state, or what's going to happen to the non-Jewish people already living there.

So, that's the meme. The conflict between the ideal and the reality, this weird thought space between concept and reality that really only takes a person thinking one step ahead to notice but liberals, like Joe Biden, didn't and don't.

If you're being generous to liberals, and not a realist who knows they're active and knowledgeable participants.

lefties love to hate on liberals for whatever reason. Even though the definition of liberal is not very specific and encompassing.

I still haven't quite figured out why. Idk if people just don't broadly understand the definition of liberalism in a political context, or if it's just "hurr durr not lefty bad" shenanigans.

on another note, if anybody in the comments has any expansive explanation to this, please, indulge my curiosity.

It has been a political wedge issue used as a weapon by conservatives. Liberal buy-in to zionism is its primary support system.

Liberals support Israel because of Cold War propaganda labeling. That evolved into the good guys versus terrorism propaganda we have now, which blinded us to things like stealing land, the blockade, interfering in elections, and indefinite detainment without charges or trial. It was all hand waived because "terrorists". But in reality it was the only way left for them to try to defend their sovereignty.

Maybe because Britain had already mandated a Zionist quasi-state (that would eventually become modern day Israel) and Zionist Jews were already migrating there even before the Holocaust? Or are we simply ignoring that part of history?

What?!? This was a perfect opportunity to ~~get rid of Jews and Brown people at the same time~~ settle the promised land! Did you really expect the ~~racists~~ upstanding European leaders not to take it?

Actually, allot of countries let some lands for jews, but they don't want it. They want specifically they holly land.

That brush you're using there is the wrong size

Because Israel was always a colonialist project. The last one of a dead age. The people who like Israel think Thanksgiving was how settlers treated the Indigenous Americans.

Or, like, Palestinians.

They aren't arguing in good faith