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I hate big tech controlling social media. I desperately want social media to be federated.

I really love community-driven social media like Reddit. Lemmy feels… too small. I really loved that Reddit let me jump into any niche hobby, and instantly I had a community. Lemmy, you’ll be lucky if that community even exists, and if it does, chances are nobody has posted in ages.

On the other hand, Lemmy is full of political content lately. I’ve basically been doom scrolling everything US election-related, and it’s really starting to take a toll on my mental health.

I know I can filter content. I know I can post and be the change I seek. Yet, it feels like an uphill battle.

Not sure what the point of this is, or if it’s even the right community to vent about this. I just really want to replace Reddit, but I find myself going back more and more (e.g. r/homekit is very active compared to Lemmy version).

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 74 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

you gotta realize reddit didn't just "appear" one day with those obscure niche topics built out. There is a network effect large communities have. We need hundreds of thousands more members before that is possible.

I think you probably weren't there for early reddit, but most of the active posters here on Lemmy were. It was tiny. Like Lemmy.

You can't force those niche communities to exist here. It doesn't work. But what you can do is post and create valuable content. and eventually we may get there.

[–] flicker@lemmy.world 27 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (28 children)

It's so weird to me that people are so spoiled today that they feel inconvenienced when there isn't limitless content in their niche fields of interest being served to them on a platter every single day.

Those of us who remember the before times can tell you that the absolute best of a platform comes before that point. I'm sure it's lovely getting your full every single second, but the best conversation, the best education, the best introspection comes when you're allowed a few minutes between stimuli to think.

I feel like "Old woman yells at cloud" but I really feel like our younger folks who crave endless, mindless interaction, don't know what they miss out on.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 14 points 14 hours ago

I can't blame them, because they've been conditioned to be consumers of content. While they idealize creators, they also put up barriers in their minds as the the level of quality a given comment, piece of content, whatever, needs to achieve before getting involved.

I try and think of Lemmy as the equivalent of the Linux. We're just going to have lower adoption because there isn't a corporate juggernaut behind us promoting this thing.

But if people really want to know why reddit was able to become reddit, it happened here yesterday with cats. It's bean memes. Its Stör. Its us developing culture of our own as a community.

So its fine. I'm not too worried. We're doing great.

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[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 12 points 12 hours ago

I only used Reddit for two years, but I’m now really happy I made the jump to Lemmy.

Sadly, I can only agree that some niche content is difficult to find.

But I can’t complain because I’m not creating any of that content and moderating some community.

[–] Blaze 65 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Feel free to block communities with political content.

You can also use an app or alternative frontend to filter keywords. !newtolemmy@lemmy.ca has a post about that.

For communities, !newcommunities@lemmy.world can help

For home kit, the Apple communities are probably more active, and you should be able to post about it there too

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

To add to this using these two features has really helped remove a lot of the threads that were taking a toll on my mental health from my feed.

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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 29 points 15 hours ago (7 children)

All I’m getting lately in my feed are cats!

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 20 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Not a bug! That's a feature.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 21 points 15 hours ago

No, of course not. Cats are mammals, not insects.

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Unpopular opinion: it's okay to like Reddit, if that's how you feel. I don't - it's far too toxic overall, and that was affecting me to the point where I made the decision to leave it, regardless of the outcome of the protests (based in large measure on having read this article that further developed the thoughts that I was already starting to think: https://medium.com/@max.p.schlienger/the-cargo-cult-of-the-ennui-engine-890c541cebcb ). And I don't like where it's going in the future - you may use it for awhile then be surprised when yet another horrendous decision by Huffman or the people behind him sends content creators fleeing to other platforms, again.

But if you have found a particular niche group there, and they are not willing to leave Reddit, then you go to where they are, right? Perhaps you can also help make moving here more welcoming by starting a similar community of your own here, even if you are the only one posting there for awhile. That said, we simply don't have the userbase here to handle e.g. most individual games (some fairly major exceptions such as Minecraft aside:-) or sports teams or some such, and you may want to enjoy interacting with more generalized content, possibly in addition to rather than fully replacing Reddit.

Conversations here tend to be better than there. Deeper, richer, and fuller. But to each their own - if Reddit meets your needs while Lemmy does not, then it sounds like you have your answer. But perhaps read my link above and think about what it means: Reddit is predatory, and you'd be willfully walking back into that, hoping against hope that the leopard would not eat your face off (spoiler alert: it will:-D).

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (8 children)

Thank you! I would say I like the people in certain niche groups on Reddit, but I hate Reddit as a company. I wish I could snap my finger and move those communities to Lemmy.

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[–] JohnWorks@sh.itjust.works 32 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

One suggestion I saw a while ago was to use more general communities for things you're interested in and as it grows then the more niche communities can be made. Ex: post about a specific game you like in gaming up until enough people like it to make a sub for that game. Or post about a song you don't know in asklemmy until enough people do that to make whatsthissong

I totally get wanting the niche communities and, personally, I just lurk reddit completely not voting, posting, or commenting unless as a last resort if I really need to find info that Lemmy isn't able to provide.

It's a slow process and I don't think there'll be another boost of users in Lemmy until reddit does another thing that enshittifies it to annoy people to leave.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

The internet has been mostly enshittified. The corporations are guaranteed to continue sucking in predictable ways. It'll never get better or good enough.

The fediverse is something new. It is, at the very least, immune to being reddited and twittered. If the internet has a future, it's on the fediverse, or on something like it that doesn't exist yet. Going back to shitty corporate stuff just delays the future.

Your real issue is that spez, musk, etc all suck. That's what you hate. This is the place where we are free of them, and it can only get better.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 5 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

It may not be for everyone. Lemmys growth has stalled out and barring musk buying reddit and turning it to shit i don't see another influx coming. So we're kinda stuck with the community that exists now. Its a pretty good and sustainable community which can provide a lot of general interest posts like news, memes and cats lately. But for other more specific topics if if it's not already a large community here it probably won't be. It's not even just niche interests, professional sports for example has very little presence on here as a whole much less individual sports or teams, and I don't see, for example, a baseball community taking off here no matter how much effort you put in since the current lemmy community isn't much interested in it and your average baseball fan probably won't be coming to lemmy to discuss things.

My recommendation would be to use lemmy for some of those general interest topics, and maybe some of the more popular niche communities if your into them, And go to other places, preferably independent forums or rss feeds, for other things. We don't need one unified scrolling app, it may be a bit more convenient, but the internet is better off if you spread your traffic around.

[–] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 hours ago

Just wanted to comment and say Lemmy baseball fan here! There are dozens of us, dozens! Also not in IT and I don’t use Linux but here I am. I feel like an imposter on Lemmy.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This is why I’ve made the argument so many times that Lemmy needs ways to categorize stuff.

Let me present you with a situation that happened. I made a post in a patientgamers community. But since I know that community is niche, I cross post to both retro games and the general games community. This made some people upset because they had to see my post three times (understandable).

But if I don’t do this, the only slightly active sub community will benefit or see engagement. As evidenced by my last post that got somewhat less engagement.

What really should be the case is that cross posts don’t show up multiple times and by default the apps need to redirect to the actual cross posted post and not the comments on the cross post itself. They copied the awful cross posting behavior from Reddit and it sucks honestly. Until we are larger, we need better ways to post across multiple communities to keep them all active and boost collective interest.

[–] Blaze 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Let me introduce you the Piefed topics: https://piefed.social/topic/gaming That's an improvement from the reader perspective

Cross-posts themselves are only displayed once on the Web UI as long as they use the same URLs.

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[–] padge@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I get it. I basically have to browse on the everything tab to get enough content, and just block the politics communities because I get enough of that from everywhere else in life. I've been using the lack of content to just ween myself off social media though, rather than go back to Reddit. This is the only "social media app" I have installed on my phone unless you count Discord and YouTube

[–] Aolley@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Is there a way to 'view all images' like RES has a button for?

[–] Ximo@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Try this, it improves lemmy's web frontend

https://alexandrite.app/

[–] MagnyusG@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Post what you want, comment on everything, make your own community, etc etc etc

I see this all the time like some kind of catch-all for complaints about how effectively dead this platform is.

Not everyone is cutout to pioneer any kind of community, let's just assume that OP takes this advice to heart, if their interest/hobby is niche enough, what's even the likelihood of someone else tumbling upon it? Let alone contributing. Maybe this hypothetical other person wants to contribute but they see that it's only one other person posting anything and they figure, "what's the point?" Maybe they don't agree with OP's opinions and would rather find another "community" where their opinions won't be contested even if it doesn't exist. There are a myriad of reasons why, this is going to happen with every channel, fandom, interest group, etc. it's a natural part of the process. The problem lies in the simple fact that there's fucking no one here, there are enough bodies to come and stay and go and continue the cycle until a community is established.

Yes, there are plenty of channels or w/e they're called here, but most of them are effectively islands in a sea of shit you don't care about (or bots.) They're not managed, and there's nothing going on in them. Why is it up to you the user to stop what you're doing and make something out of nothing? When there are already communities that do exist on other platforms, even if said platforms are trash like Reddit or Xitter are. The majority of users in large communities are lurkers, they might not actively contribute, but they do share content with their own friends or interest groups and that is what's more likely to bring people in, those people might be people that do end up contributing, or they might be more lurkers. But it feeds into the growth of the community either way.

Most of Lemmy doesn't have any of that though, because there's no one here.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago

Community building involves more than just posting. It's "If you post it, post about it everywhere else, and talk about it with everybody who will listen". And then dealing with months if silence while you keep posting things that inspire others to join in.

[–] Blaze 3 points 9 hours ago

Not everyone is cutout to pioneer any kind of community, let’s just assume that OP takes this advice to heart, if their interest/hobby is niche enough, what’s even the likelihood of someone else tumbling upon it?

The general advice is to go to more and more generic communities until you meet enough people to discuss the topics.

Originally, Reddit had no subreddits, there was only one single space where everybody would post.

Reducing the number of communities and merge some of them would definitely be useful. For people interested on that topic, there is !fedigrow@lemm.ee

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

On the other hand, Lemmy is full of political content lately.

Unfollow communities with political content, and all that goes away.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 7 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I think a surprising number of people use the 'All' feed, both here, and on Reddit.

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[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago (8 children)

I don't want to simply repeat what others have said, but on a personal level, I'm actually enjoying the smaller overall community - it makes it a bit more personal, I feel. I enjoy that. Yeah, fair enough, it's not great for niches, but you don't have to be tethered down to one place for your content.

Back in my day, you had to go to completely different websites for your niche content! Forums were the mainstream!

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[–] M33@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 hours ago

Lately I tend to prefer lemmy over Reddit and mastodon too. It’s all about content I agree.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 16 hours ago

reddit was once smaller than it is now too

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