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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 44 points 11 hours ago (9 children)

The Democrats gave up so easily and went "I guess we hate transpeople now? Is that why we lost? We didn't hate transpeople enough?" so quickly, that I"m wondering if Trump's election was part of the fucking plan to begin with.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 13 points 8 hours ago

No, some of them were already transphobic but thought they'd lose an election for admitting it. Now they think they will win because of it. They need to learn a lesson.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Second time I've seen this commented, but I must have missed a headline - can someone point me to what this is referencing?

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 16 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

dude they banned a trans congresswoman from the women's bathroom and being a democrat she just went "ok, I'll pee in the men's room I guess"

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago (6 children)

That I get from a certain angle. There's immense pressure on "firsts" to show that they're not there to implement radical change. That they can just be a functional member of an organization. First woman in a fighter jet, first trans person in Congress, it's the same pressure mechanism. They want to show they can do the job first and foremost.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 17 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If you ignore the urinals, there really isn't much point in separate bathrooms anyways. Especially in posh bathrooms like I'm sure they have in Congress where they pay the extra bucks to have actual doors on the stalls. This is one of those cases where arguing with idiots just makes you look like the idiot. Going along shows how ridiculous the moral panic was in the first place.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

idk why you're downvoted, I agree. gendered bathrooms are pointless; it's not like people get naked there anyway. and fuck urinals. they're dumb.

that being said of you're gonna have gendered bathrooms you can't police genitals; gonna have to go with the honor code.

it's all pointless and the security excuse is bullshit. it's ridiculous that these rules would assume a rapist wouldn't get deterred by the laws against rape but would totally be stumped by a fucking sign that says "biological".

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What’s wrong with urinals? They’re super quick and easy

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

it's in the open, it usually allows splashback, also peeing standing up is not that good for you anyway. not washing after you shit is quick and easy too; doesn't mean it's good. speaking of which, I think urinals encourage people who don't wash their hands because it's quick and easy.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 15 points 11 hours ago (11 children)

For fuck's suck.... Anywhere else in the country and that's a discrimination lawsuit.

What the fuck?

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 63 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (5 children)

I want to be more optimistic, but I'm looking for the ingredients we'd need to push back effectively on the creeping fascism any time in the near future, and they don't seem to be here.

Democrats need a massively leftward and populist shift to differentiate themselves from Republicans in the eyes of uninformed voters, and I think there's just too much pushing against it. All the biggest channels of information are controlled by billionaires. They are not going to present any progressive efforts in a positive light, and they've become really effective at setting people who have common interests against each other. That, or inundating us so much that people understandably become numb to it and tune out. Trump was about as blatantly awful as a candidate could ever be, and he still won.

I'm fearing all we have to look forward to is 10 steps back under Republicans then 1 step forward under Democrats before Republicans take control again. Democrat leadership seems to prefer losing to winning with a progressive agenda.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 32 points 11 hours ago (8 children)

A foul-mouthed, shit-talking, no-bullshit pro union pro lgbtq pro healthcare ballbuster who's sick of pussyfooting, eggshell walking, and capitulating could do wonders.

Trump's irreverance, but paired with competence, a heart, and basic, decent, sensible views.

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[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 19 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

It's been what? Two weeks? We sure give up quickly.

Fighting against fascism is about constant small victories. Saying no. Suing at every step. Making it to the next election with things as intact as we can make them. Maybe it won't work, though it is sure as hell better than expecting the Democrats to step up. If we want reform, let's cause reform.

Trump won by 1.6% of the popular vote. Not a single one of us are as alone as we think. Yeah, sure, a break would be great. We don't get that. Moreover, we are a young country and in that time there have been governments who to many people were fascist in nature, repressive on a good day. We came out of those times better than we were because we stood up together. It's time to hold accountable those who deserve it once again. Freedom has a price and we are mostly here because of our apathy, make no mistake, and our unwillingness to engage in greater numbers locally and in midterms. However, from there it's on the people near and at the top.

We are the ingredients. Every action we take, even something as small as standing up for a couple in a restaurant, is a small push back.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

.Fighting against fascism is about constant small victories.

That's not generally the way fascism is defeated. Sometimes yes, but it usually takes a somewhat more aggressive approach. We should take that possible future seriously as well, even as we work to avoid it.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, this "shavings make a pile" strategy is quaint, but fascists generally only understand one message, and it's historically delivered at the end of a fist. And Democrats are proving themselves to very much NOT be a party of fighters.

Biden has essentially been granted a King's powers and is showing the world exactly who he is by accomplishing exactly nothing, when there are no recriminations for pushing to do ALL that he claimed he would when he took the office. He is the worlds most self-impotent empty suit.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

People are dealing with a serious fucking blow. Emotionally.

Probably a liiiitle soon to declare a give-up.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

Demolish Citizens United. That would make a world of difference.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Democrats need a massively leftward and populist shift to differentiate themselves from Republicans in the eyes of uninformed voters

In the eyes of informed voters too.

Democrat leadership

It's the Democratic Party.

[–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The US just elected a child rapist, and convicted felon, who praised Hitler's generals and said he wants to be a dictator. Oh, and he also wants to ahave everyone who ever stood against him murdered. Only 30% of eligible voters actively tried to stop it.
If you thought the Dems were conservative before, just wait and see how far right they can jump in order to chase the only group that will show up to the polls every damn time, no matter how stupid, or how fake and repeatedly disproven the reason is.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 4 points 12 hours ago

You want ingredients? I have a cocktail recipe

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 27 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Im sure compared to the interment camps, this is nothing.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

We don't have internment camps again yet.

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[–] DeadWorldWalking@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

We haven't even opened the new camps yet.

But yeah buy a gun now before gun sales are restricted based on political affiliation.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

We haven’t opened the new ones but Mr Takei did grow up in one being a Japanese American of a certain age

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

And if you care at all, you’ll do your part to make sure

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