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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I'm going to be an apologist for conservatives for a sec, just for the sake of giving out my theory of mind of these people.

I think this all happens mostly due to the stress trans people are inadvertently causing their parents. When your kid comes out of the closet, this will happen to a parent regardless of how liberal-minded they are. Even if you have no problem with the concept, your kid being trans brings about new kinds of threat scenarios you never had to think about before. If you're a sensible, smart and handsome person like I truly fucking am, you can process it in a few years and come out as not being a 100% asshole towards the issue.

But if your reference group is republican church goers, there's a high probability that such a person just simply does not have the mental or social toolset to process it in any sensible way. They will construct a toxic viewpoint for this issue, strengthen it from outside sources and then start to spread that toxicity.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think this all happens mostly due to the stress trans people are inadvertently causing their parents. When your kid comes out of the closet, this will happen to a parent regardless of how liberal-minded they are. Even if you have no problem with the concept, your kid being trans brings about new kinds of threat scenarios you never had to think about before. If you’re a sensible, smart and handsome person like I truly fucking am, you can process it in a few years and come out as not being a 100% asshole towards the issue.

I feel like it's more the opposite problem. For the parents, trans people are a vague boogeyman. They've never meant a trans person personally, and they're constantly told that trans people are just waiting to jump them in the bathroom, or at sports, or all sorts of other things, so they've never had to contend with someone they know being trans.

If it was simply stress or threat to the kid, it wouldn't really explain the reaction to disowning them, since most of those aren't about the treatment that their kids would receive for being trans.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

If my kid was trans, the only stress it would cause is thinking about how much medical bills we might have.

But I don't have expectations for my kids that I'm imposing on them, so maybe I have less to process.

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[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

They're a convenient political target because it makes insecure men not want to be associated with them. Believe it or not, a similar thing happened last time Republicans won the popular vote in 2004 - back then the issue was gay marriage. Bush went hard on opposing that and it helped him win.

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (25 children)

I'm going to get all sorts of fun responses for trying to empathize with those with whom I disagree (instead of just writing "dumb bigots") but here goes:

First, remember that even gay marriage is fairly new to America, it's been around for less time than the MCU.

There are a lot of folks who almost have mental whiplash, gay marriage went from illegal to "you could get fired for being vocally uncomfortable about it" in fairly quick order.

Now, to make things even more wild for those folks, mainstream culture is pretty insistent that gender isn't even a thing anymore. Add in some pretty wild news stories/videos*, worries for their kids and the notion that the Left refuses to say there might be any issues whatsoever and you can kinda see where a backlash could crop up.

  • eg: trans women being reassigned to women's prisons and then assaulting the women etc, a 6"2, 220lb woman practically murdering her handball oppoisition, some fairly sketchy research practices by some of the authorities (WPATH) on the subject etc.
[–] wipeout69@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can we compromise? No trans people in sports and trans people have their own unique prison or cell block and young teens can take puberty blockers and estrogen so they don't need to try to pay 150,000 in facial feminization plastic surgery at 18 or 19, money of which they can only get quickly from sex work and not going to school? Sound like a good compromise?

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[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

yeah, was going to say - there have been trans mass shooters, lol

Another notable case:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs_nightclub_shooting

Aldrich's attorneys have said in court documents that their client identifies as non-binary and uses they/them pronouns, preferring to be addressed as Mx. Aldrich. Neighbors allege Aldrich to have made hateful comments towards the LGBT community in the past, including frequent usage of homophobic slurs. Aldrich never mentioned being non-binary prior to the shooting and was referred to with masculine pronouns by family members. Police testified they found rainbow-colored shooting targets in Aldrich's home. Experts in online extremism have voiced the possibility that Aldrich's proclaimed self-identification could be disingenuous, while the Center for Countering Digital Hate acknowledges the suspect's past actions and impact on the LGBT community.

I am personally inclined to agree that the self-identification is likely disingenuous, a stunt for the courtroom (maybe to make it harder to argue he committed hate crimes).

[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works -3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Why does it seem most people, mainly conservatives, against Trans people?

I think it's important to establish the validity of the claim, and the assumptions being made, since you cited no sources, nor did you provide any definitions, nor did you specify any assumptions; I will presume that by "conservative", you are referring to American Republicans.

Why does it seem most people [...][are] against Trans people?

It does not appear that "most people" (I assume you mean "the majority of people") are "against trans people" (I'm not entirely sure exactly what you mean by this, so I will assume it means not being in favor of protecting trans people from discrimination) [1.2][1.1].

Why does it seem [...] conservatives [...][are] against Trans people?

It does seem that the majority of Republicans are against trans protections [1.1].

ADDENDUM (2024-11-23T06:49Z): Could someone who's downvoting this please tell me why they are doing so? I'm rather confused about what the rationale could be. I didn't even state any opinions; I was only fact checking. Was I perhaps too abrasive sounding? I wasn't intending to be rude.

References

  1. "Americans’ Complex Views on Gender Identity and Transgender Issues". Author: Kim Parker, Juliana Menasce Horowitz, Anna Brown. Publisher: Pew Research Center. Published: 2022-06-28. Accessed: 2024-11-23T02:35Z. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/americans-complex-views-on-gender-identity-and-transgender-issues/.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Fear, control, indoctrination, tribalism, double standards, poor mortal character, hypocrisy, and because it 'makes them feel icky' and so they have to be loud and obvious about it so that they're community sides with them and doesn't suspect that they're (allegedly) total closet cases.

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

After it became less acceptable to explicitly hate the gays in public they needed a new target. There's a lot of people who like being riled up with hatred, who are fearful and need a bogeyman, etc. It's either human nature or something deeply embedded in our culture. Eventually they will move on and find a new target to focus their hate on.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

Since when do conservatives care about mass shootings?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ve never met a person against trans people. I talk to lots of people as a Uber driver in Denver. What state do you live in?

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I am currently stationed in Chicago. And I have met trans people across the US and none of em have been bad or had a bad attitude they are pretty down to earth and pretty cool.

Because most people don't actually know any trans people, and find unfamiliar things to be weird and scary.

But also because terrible people have weaponized those feelings for personal political gain. Most people probably wouldn't give a fuck, even if they found them weird, if talking heads weren't stoking the flames of bigotry.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 17 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Unless I am wrong I never heard of one shooting up a school church or whatever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Nashville_school_shooting

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Trans people give conservatives feelings in their pants and scare and confuse them. They lash out in fear, hatred, and self-loathing.

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