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[–] JayObey711@lemmy.world 4 points 36 minutes ago

They get paid more because they know everything there is to know about agricultural law or some shit and you know how to screen share.

[–] ntma@lemm.ee 15 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

The other day some IT loser nerd called for a plumber because he couldn't replace the fill valve on his toilet. Fucking idiot tool didn't even know how to shut off the water. The fucker makes more money than I do and he just sends emails all day.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 24 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Your fellow workers are not your enemy. The wealthy owning class who underpay you are your enemy.

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 10 points 18 hours ago

Amen, comrade.

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[–] poplargrove@lemmy.world 29 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

Strange judging only by how good they are with computers. They might have some other valuable skills that gets them paid highly.

[–] NostraDavid@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

You are paid according to your responsibilities, not your skills. Well, partially for your skills, but it's not the be-all end-all of your salary.

Sadly, after a certain point, people become so rich that they can skirt their responsibilities, which is problematic, but that's a separate thread.

[–] Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 12 points 18 hours ago

Let's see Paul Allen's screen share.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's like judging a Ferrari owner for not knowing how to change the oil...

[–] DSTGU@sopuli.xyz 3 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

This is not a fair comparision imo. There is an assumption that salary is corellated with experience/knowledge/being useful. Fairer comparision would be judging Ferrari mechanic for not knowing how to change oil

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I guess I’ll start screening my surgeons, attorneys, and accountants for how well they know how to use Zoom. This seems reasonable.

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean I agree with the general sentiment.

However, I also understand the previous commenter’s reasoning (or not…I might be shoving words in their mouth).

I think, especially in today’s world where basic technical competence is essentially a must, that in order to perform your job duties to a certain level of standard expected by your client or employer, you need to be able to perform basic technical problem solving. And I think this includes being able to figure out how to google “screen share, Windows”. And this includes many professions.

Surgeon? Maybe not. I just want to have a good surgeon.

But attorney and accountant? I would expect that if information needed to be shared with me, especially with urgency, that they would be able to confidently do so quickly, which may include setting up a quick zoom call (use Jitsi people!).

So actually I disagree with you- I actually may screen out certain professions if they show they lack basic technical competence, like setting up a video call, or creating a spreadsheet.

[–] Kratzkopf@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago

Googling 'screen share, Windows' takes longer than asking the people you are in a call with already though

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

[off topic?]

One of my favorite fictional detectives is Nero Wolfe. In one of the stories he asks his assistant if the morgue is open all night.

[–] poplargrove@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Could you explain the joke

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago

It's not a joke. Wolfe is both a genius crime solver with an official license and an almost total recluse who spends all his time in his house growing orchids and enjoying the hard work of his private chef.

He has a hard working assistant who brings Wolfe people to interrogate. Archie is the one who writes the stories and finds the clues, but it's Nero who actually solves the cases.

"The League of Frightened Men" by Rex Stout is one of the best of the series. It was originally published in 1932 and is still in print.

https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-league-of-frightened-men-rex-stout/7336709?ean=9780553762983

[–] Logical@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

By that reasoning knowing how to screen share is crucial knowledge for all high-paid jobs

[–] raef@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

It's like a Ferrari mechanic not knowing how to make an omelet

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 107 points 1 day ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (7 children)

I work in IT. I usually call my job "IT support" but I'm also technically the system admin, and network admin.

Today, I had someone ask me to delete a calendar for them in Outlook. It wasn't a shared or special calendar, it was literally just a calendar in their normal outlook.

Bear in mind, they didn't ask how to do it. They asked me to do it.

That's a skill issue right there. I'm not in the business of doing other people's work for them. Now and then I'll entertain the odd request of "how do I do x" and show someone how to get something done, mainly because it's a lot less effort than telling them that I didn't go to university for teaching, and all the ensuing arguments thereafter, because there's always arguments.

But this was straight up "do my job for me".

Lol, no, I have my own shit to do.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 96 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"skill issue" ticket closed

[–] EveningPancakes@lemm.ee 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

At a previous company, we would tag tickets in Zendesk based on the type of question it was so at the end of the year we could see which categories could use more explanation in our documentation. One of the category types was "LMGTFY"

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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The number of people who think that IT is supposed to know how to use every program and fix everything within those programs is a lot. I've had several engineers, programmers, designers, accountants, executives of who knows what consistently ask to fix their work or how to do whatever it is. I always try to point them in the right direction or help but other people in my field hate even that because it sets a precedent that the next time they need help they think they can ask again.

If I knew all of their jobs thoroughly like they seem to think, I wouldn't be getting paid half what they are. I would need to be paid twice what they are, to support all of those positions in that way.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 154 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Some millionaire in my office: "Hey, Sanctus, what's my password for my computer again?"

Me, who can barely afford to fix my car: fights the urge to use a letter opener as a weapon

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 134 points 1 day ago (14 children)

That’s a really long password no wonder they forgot it.

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[–] brap@lemmy.world 90 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The sheer volume of people I've encountered through numerous jobs that are on high wages but lack basic skills astounds me.

[–] superkret 142 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They have other skills you don't have, that are more important for those high paying jobs.

Like faking genuine interest in the shit their higher-ups blather on about, convincingly laughing at racist and misogynist jokes, backstabbing their peers when a position opens up, and doing the most demeaning tasks with a smile and a "thank you".

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah. You ever ask an average software “engineer” to have a constructive conversation with someone a different department? It’s a nightmare.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 points 18 hours ago

Yeah, asking software engineers to work with other departments is basically my entire job. I drink a lot.

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[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sorry if you need to learn this, but compensation has little to do with ability or merit in a lot of place that need to screen share.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also, ability to screen-share has little to do with the competencies that pay the bills on most places.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

And screen-share knowledge is not some skill that is short in supply and high in demand. Every year tons of people graduate to fill those low level IT jobs. It’s simple economics, jobs that are easily filled are the ones that pay the least.

People here are delusional. They have been fed white lies by their parents and teachers that if they are smart and just work hard they get rewarded abundantly. It’s not how the world works.

And screen-share knowledge is not some skill that is short in supply

Right, so they should know how to do it then.

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[–] MBM@lemmings.world 43 points 1 day ago (6 children)

As someone who had to struggle in a meeting because I'd never shared my screen in Teams before and they put it in some weird place, I feel attacked

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Fucking slack, man. And google meets, and zoom, and we bex, and goto meetings, and avaya

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Microsoft: "Here, have some shitty arcane dysfunctional software."

Me: "Damn, this is hard to use."

IT Guy: "Damn, I can't believe you get paid to work here."

Also IT Guy: low whisper "Fuck, they moved the button again. This is going to take me a minute."

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The people with the worst virtual meeting presences are the VPs and above. They expect us to shovel their shit. Like, buy a fucking mic and a light, pay for more than DSL broadband, and shut the fucking door so I can stop hearing whatever your teenage asshole kid is doing.

EDIT: FWIW managers at most levels aren't much better, they live by the example set by the superiors they so idolize.

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