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Who they hate will continue to spread until they are executing people who put their carts back.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The propaganda tactics from the GOP are also the same. Take a look at Lügenpresse. Fomenting distrust in a free press is a necessity if you want to replace it with a controlled press.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's classic abuser behavior - "Don't listen to anyone but me! No one else loves you!"

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 1 points 1 day ago

That's true, but most press has been controlled by corporate interest for generations. I support actual independent press and fully reject all of the big players from MSNBC to Fox to Joe Rogan.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Just now figuring this out are ya? Welcome to the present, glad your finally paying attention.

[–] CoCo_Goldstein@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

That is definitely a fresh take on Trump.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 86 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You know, for this whole election cycle, many, many people have been commenting on the parallels between Trump/MAGA and the rise of the Nazi party. It hasn't just been people on social media, there have been lots of well cited articles. Take a look at this Guardian piece from the summer.

So yes, the parallels are so significant that it makes people wonder if it's coincidental or a playbook.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (10 children)

In your honest opinion do you think he will try to get rid of voting so he can remain in power like Hitler did?

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

We are already well along the road of elections being fairly meaningless. Not because the results aren't counted accurately but because elections can be swayed by numerous mechanisms including voter suppression (voter ID laws, redistricting, restrictions on polling places and methods, etc) and propaganda. Combine that with economic suppression via wealth inequality that results in low-information voters being the norm and you have a relatively easy mechanism to "win" elections that's legal and constitutional.

Hitler didn't get into power by being a dictator, he became one through a series of events. The Reichstag fire was a pretext Hindenburg declaring a state of emergency which not only gave Nazi's the ability to frame and dissent or opposition as traitorous, it also lent "credence" to their propaganda about the threat of communism, allowing them to further consolidate power in the 1933 election.

History rhymes.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

He doesn't need to. Elections will happen as usual, but states with Republican-led governments will report favorable results for Republicans regardless of the reality.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago

I'll be surprised if he lives long enough for that - he's old and has a terrible diet - but he said at a fundraiser that people would only need to vote one more time, which many took to mean that's all he'd need to stay in power. He tried a failed coup in 2020, so clearly doesn't care if it's lawful or not. Would anyone be surprised?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

I would definitely not put it beyond him. The only thing that could really prevent this would be his death. Be glad that Trump is way older than Hitler was in 1933.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago

Absolutely. If Trump dies till then someone else will just take over. America wont have free elections for decades to come.

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[–] ArcaneMix@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

You're exactly right. Just read about Hitler's start, even Mussolini. PBS shows "Dictators Playbook"

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You're not wrong, and congrats for waking up. So many people are now sitting up in the pod and pulling off the wires.

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

What year is this?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No that’s what we’ve been saying for 8 years

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Saying or screaming? I've been screaming

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’ve been calmly attempting to explain because people get very very mean when trans women show negative emotions

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ah thats fair, cis white dude here, so I've been wearing that privilege out on this issue

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We've been saying it since Bush II's WAR ON TERROR!

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I called out the Patriot Act as the overt end of Constitutional law.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 105 points 3 days ago

Nah, you’re right.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think it has to do more with human nature. You can see a similar mentality with the Russian and French revolutions. The biggest difference is that people aren't economically desperate here. People may be poor or feel poor but they aren't truly desperate like Germany in the depression, Russia after the debacle of ww1, France with food shortages, etc. Here it is an ideological and cult of personality issue but not enough to get the majority of people and the major powers (the military, the very wealthy, etc) involved. This feels more like the Red Scare people of the 1950s.

[–] takeheart@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

One of my takeaways from the whole ordeal is that people don't need to be economically desperate, just feeling so goes a long way. The US has had one of the best post covid recoveries. Objectively the US economy is in decent shape but then if you listen to Trump's hustings' you could think that the US is in a deep recession akin to the 1930s, whilst also on the brink of world war 3 and overrun by migrant crime gangs. Combine that with the massive amount of targeted misinformation on social media and you get a new situation in which people are relatively well off (on the grand scale of history) yet radicalized as if destitute.

[–] mm_maybe@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I really didn't want to believe it, but post-election I've come to the conclusion that a significant amount of these vibes are driven by YouTube and TikTok. My FYP is filled with videos that portray only the side of the U.S. that is decaying--abandoned shopping malls, blighted neighborhoods or towns that shut down for one reason or another, presented as memes about "liminality" or uncanniness. Admittedly I have a longstanding interest in urban exploration that predates the liminal space trend and its offshoots but you have to ask yourself why these media are being pushed so hard by algorithms and I don't think it's just that they appeal to people like me. I suspect that it's part of a more concerted effort to portray the United States as a nation in decline, failing to keep up with authoritarian powers like China and Russia, leading to an obvious prescription: replace our democracy with our own authoritarian system... which will be easier for large corporations and foreign governments (even China whom Trump ostensibly opposes) to exploit and control.

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[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago

This is why Republicans have been eroding education and trying to remove state and federal curriculum requirements.

They have been teaching their children. That Nazis were misunderstood.

This has always been the goal.

And they want to mainstream "selecting their own education" with federally funded education credits to make the tax payers fund their brainwashing camps.

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 60 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The 2nd Weimar Republic has fallen. Americans should never again question how Hitler came to power.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No one with a brain ever "questioned" how. History has all the evidence needed

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You cite a very crucial requirement that few people seem to have in abundance of late.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Republican governed states have the lowest rankings for education, health, and basically every measure of standards of living.

Poor, angry, uneducated. Trained to hate others, especially and specifically, democrats, lefties, and all things socialized.

Perfect obedient soldiers.

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[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I take it this sub does not have the same moderation standards as its reddit counterpart.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Read some history books about Germany 1925-1945, and you will notice eerie similarities.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As an American thats what scares me.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You know how before he was elected, people would point out that his favourite book was mein campf and his favourite people were all dictators and that alot of the stuff he was saying and doing was the same stuff hitler was saying and doing to get into power? And also how literally every day people would say, "he's the next hitler" or "he's trying to become the next hitler"...

That is still true now after he is elected too.

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If you're only valuing similarities, then your missing the differences. When you see the differences, you can see the points of tensions that can arise. And if you're not historically contextualizing it, you won't know how this moment is unique and conditioned.

Politically, you still need to organize with people, probe for weaknesses, and attack knowing how mucher weaker you are than the state. This is the same for all responses. But what you do needs to be a unique response to the unique moment with unique weaknesses.

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago

I'm hesitant to answer this in case I'm targetted. They just shot a black guy who called the police instead of his psychopath knife-wielding intruder.

[–] gazby@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I read up on Kristallnacht after the SO brought it up in discussion. It was not comforting.

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