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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125

Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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[–] KiloGex@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This is going to be such a leopard ate my face moment. Do they really think the Republicans are going to do anything? They're just going to drop some bombs and call it a day. At least with the Democrats there's a slight chance.

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[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 19 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Cant blame them, Biden\Harris are literally sending Israel the bombs.

[–] KiloGex@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago

And Trump will just skip the middleman and bomb Gaza and Palestine himself. You're talking about the guy who moved the embassy to Jerusalem, after all.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (23 children)

Context:

  • I am not an american, so there may be some missing knowledge for me about the american electoral system.
  • I abhor Israel's genocide in Gaza, and I abhor the biden administration's support of (and Harris' seeming continued support of) the genocide.
  • My understanding is that Trump is just as, if not more supportive of the genocide in Gaza, and on top of this has his sights on doing some truly terrible things in the US re: minorities, trans rights, etc

So with that context, my question is thus: It seems clear that Trump wouldn't change anything about the genocide in Gaza, and that he would bring more evil than the current status quo. So if you're an american voter, you obviously can't let Trump get in. But, Harris is gross to vote for as well, even if its a "lesser of the two evils" thing. What do you do? As far as I understand its basically one or the other, you dont really have any third party to vote for right?

[–] ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.ml 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

Your understanding is solid for not being an American. You're not missing anything substantial-- people who are voting 3rd party think that the "dems need to learn" and that the dems can't do whatever they want so their vote is supposed to be a punishment. But as you point out that if they really cared about this issue then they would vote for Harris because trump will do worse on this issue and all around. The time to make changes to our political system is not when you vote for president, but in the years leading up to that.

In other words, people voting for 3rd party or Trump over this issue are morons. It sucks that our political system is what it is but if you knowingly vote for anything other than the candidate promising not-fascism, then you are supporting fascism.

I just hope enough democrats understand this. I'm not happy with gaza either but our country is still recovering from the first shit show presidency of Trump, and fascists are closely watching this election.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because Trump who literally said Muslims should wear a "Special ID at all times" back in 2015 is obviously gonna be much better....

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Biden/Harris aren't even giving them the chance to wear the special IDs, they wiped out Gaza and took out a few churches and Christians in the process too

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[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 12 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

Read the article. Maybe half or more are voting third party, they hate trump and kamala.

The other, from one of the interviews, the last four years of Democrat led politics has literally been the worst in their lives for both themselves living in america, and for their friends and families who live in the middle east.

Assuming a democrat leader is best for everyone is part of the problem. There are groups of people who suffer under Democrat leadership, and ignoring them is just frustrating them.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 12 hours ago

And they should know that the Electoral College means that this only helps Trump, who in 2015 wanted Muslims in America to wear "Special IDs"

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