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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20911849

By Umar A Farooq in Washington
Published date: 30 September 2024 11:01 BST

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[–] RubicTopaz@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Damn she should probably change her policies to not supporting genocide if she wants those votes

I won't blame someone for not supporting a genocidal pig.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Anyone parroting those tired talking points who thinks Trump would be less of a problem for Gaza or the Palestinians needs to get their head examined.

Trump has already demonstrated that he's Netanyahu's bitch.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Incoming anti-Muslim hatred from Liberals in 3...2...1...

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just bewilderment. Because snubbing Harris will get you Trump. Who's a great friend to Gaza /s. So cui bono?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Both are genocidal, letting the DNC get away with genocide solidifies their position. That's the logic, that the DNC can get away with literal genocide as long as they aren't the GOP, and in the eyes of Liberals, that's correct.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (19 children)

You seem to think that letting the more genocidal republicans win would encourage the democrats to be less genocidal, which is bizarre.

They move right when they lose to compete with the republicans because the republicans win with a right wing strategy.

If the democrats won all the time, the republicans would have to move left just to regain power, and the Overton window would move left.

Not voting for the democrats in order to move them left is insanity. They will respond by copying the more successful electoral strategy.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

Both hate Arabs and Muslims, Trump is just honest about it. Both support Israel unconditionally, the reality on the ground will be exactly the same, only the rhetoric will change.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No but blindly vote blue

Trump would be worse than the 20 billion dollars of pre approved bombs I can assure you

No such thing as a bad Democrat candidate amirite

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Vote blue until Gaza is through, amirite?

[–] boywar3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

My truly white-hot take is that if I had to choose between Palestine being reduced to ash and losing me and my family's rights and Palestine being reduced to ash and me and my family not losing my rights...I'm going to take the option that involves me and my family not losing my rights lol.

And, to be frank, if I had to choose between helping a million strangers I've never met or not, with the lives of my family and friends on the line, I'd probably pick my family and friends over the strangers, regardless of the issue.

You can moan and cry all you want about "you are voting for genocide" or whatever - the fact is that the world is much larger than Palestine. Other things are at stake here. How the fuck are all those Palestinians (who are still going to be bombed by the Republicans btw) going to deal with climate change as its effects worsen when a Republican administration takes power in the US and rolls back all our climate protections and attempts to mitigate climate change? The global poor are FUCKED if we don't handle that shit as best we can ASAP. Full stop.

I'm personally not interested in fucking over every other person on the planet for Palestine. Is the genocide horrible? Yes. Should it be stopped immediately? Yes. Do I want it to stop? Also, yes. But can I in good conscience actively utilize my vote to wring my hands over genocide and allow an even worse scenario to play out? Fuck no.

There are more things at stake here than just Palestine. Shit sucks, but that's the world we live in and there won't be magical change just because you wring your hands and screech on the internet about how random people are "supporting a genocide by voting for Kamala" when any person with half a brain can see that the Republican party has acted the same way in the past and will actively accelerate it when given the chance (remember when Trump pissed everyone off by moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, effectively recognizing the stolen land there?). Grow the fuck up and see that the world isn't so simple - sometimes there are no good options, only mildly less shitty ones.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Finally a logical fucking comment. I'm sick and tired of people willing to let the US become a fascist hellscape so they can sit on a moral high horse while the US lets Israel glass half the middle east

[–] boywar3@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

None of these chickenshit cowards will respond because they know their arguments don't hold up under the weight of reality. All they have is "b-but Kamala is doing the genocide now and Trump might not do it" when that's so obviously false it's kind of stunning. It's how you know these fucks are either Republican trolls trying to undermine Kamala's campaign because they know their candidate sucks or they're just so marinated in propaganda and theory they lack the bandwidth to actually apply basic logic to even the most obvious of situations.

[–] SpicaNucifera@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Because Trump and his party are known for being so supportive of Gazans. Idiots. Things DEFINITELY won't get better under Trump for anyone.

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