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Researchers at the University of Southampton in the UK successfully stored the entirety of the human genome sequence onto an indestructible 5D optical memory crystal no bigger than a penny. The indestructibility claims are no joke since the discs can withstand temperatures up to 1,000°C, cosmic radiation, and even direct impact forces of 10 tons per cm2.

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[–] foofiepie@lemmy.world 119 points 2 months ago (5 children)

These marketing types shouldn’t be allowed to call anything ‘indestructible’ until they’ve given it to my kid to play with for a week.

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 52 points 2 months ago

It's indestructible, but not unflushable.

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Throw it in my pocket with my keys and my spare pocket sand. It'll be destroyed.

[–] FlashZordon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Plot twist: it destroys your child. Not physically, morally.

With these new indestructible powers, your child enslaves the entirety of mankind. Forced to adopt a bewildered child's point of view, humans spend all day with their families and friends, get ample sleep, share food and housing, laugh, cry, and find unbeatable protection just by being near those they love.

People love and lift each other to new heights of unshackled peace. Sciences and arts flourish and humanity enters unprecedented phases of discovery, health, and empathy.

But because your child is the villain of this story, all the politicians and capitalists declare war on your indestructible child. They all lose and die. The villain wins. Everyone celebrates.

The end.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago

Careful, it may very well kill your kid and upload them to the cloud

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

"Stores data for billions of years!"

Have you tested it?

"Yes"

For how long?

"..."

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 79 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The '5D' in the name comes from the fact that, unlike 2D markings on a piece of paper or tape, this method uses two optical dimensions and three spatial coordinates to write throughout the material.

Went to the article seeking answers but got only more questions.

[–] Asetru 70 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage

The "5-dimensional" descriptor is only a marketing term, since the device has 3 physical dimensions and no exotic higher dimensional properties. The fractal/holographic nature of its data storage is also purely 3-dimensional. The size, orientation and three-dimensional position of the nanostructures comprise the so-called five dimensions.

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Further down in the article it is a little clearer...

In this case, the 5 dimensions inside of the discs are the size and orientation in relation to the 3-dimensional position of the nanostructures. The concept of being 5-dimensional means that one disc has several different images depending on the angle that one views it from, and the magnification of the microscope used to view it.

The website even lists a little more...

In order to increase the data capacity of optical storage, there is the potential of storing more than one bit in a single voxel by implementing multiplex technology. The recently developed 5D optical storage technique uses birefringence as an extra degree of freedom – the property of a medium whereby its refractive index varies depending on the polarization and direction of incident light. Birefringence generated by the orientation and size of optical nano-gratings offers two extra dimensions, providing much higher storage capacities.

So, it's supposedly three dimensions of position plus angle and (maybe?) polarity. So, it seems to be more than just a marketing gimmick, but I can't find any information about the resolution of those additional two parameters, so I can't tell if a single voxel stores two bits or two terabits.

[–] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 2 months ago

It sounds kinda like the "trick" on the internet for fitting more notes onto a note-sheet for an exam. You're still using the same physical space to store information, but you're introducing a new degree of freedom that allows you to increase storage density.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It makes me think about how the 2.5d glass screen protectors with bevelled edge eventually became 3d for curved screen phones, then 5d, then 9d, and I've seen some silly 1000d and 9999d because clearly none of these marketing idiots remember what the d numbers even referred to in the first place. They used to explain what each d gave you and now its just a number and higher is better.

1000009962

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[–] towerful@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Seems more like 5 axis than 5 dimensions.
Sounds like a slice through the crystal that can be moved up and down and rotated through 2 angles (eg roll and pitch)

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 62 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

Digitize all national history, literature, and culture. Put them on a hundred of these and distribute them all over the world. Refresh every 6 mos. Keep one on a server that all the kids can access.

Next time there's war or whatever intolerant culture comes into power, and loots the museums, stops culture, or blows up statues, at least you've kept the history alive.

Think of it as the Library of Alexandria in horcrux form.

P.S. Important to include a user's guide, reference schematics for the reader, and FAQs, etched into something semi-permanent alongside all the copies.

[–] pickleprattle@midwest.social 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Make sure it has friendly words on the front line Don't Panic.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Just shot them in all directions from the solar system into space, but also add ads so aliens know to ignore and avoid us.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do you like checking out Earth subcultures but don't want to be identified as an alien and sent to Rwanda? You need Nord VPN.

Clash of Cows: the ultimate 3D mobile game where you can pit your abductees against those of other, less-benevolelant races. Win battles to earn points and abduct new cows, and research newer and greater evolutions for your herd.

Office 365.25. Put your data in the cloud. Next to your spaceship.

Your Microsoft computer has been infected!!!! Call our hotline immediately to fix the issue!!

Looking for hot singles near you? Tired of binary systems? Check out Sol.

Had enough of ads? Upgrade to YouTube Premium.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

5 billion years from now some archeologist reconstructing the data found on a usb stick floating in the asteroid belt only to (gleefully) find out it was a porn stash they found.

Now we ofc all know this amazing find under its famous name 'Rosetta Bone pizza delivery service'.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Only headache is assuming whoever found it could read it, and parse it.

Requires microscopy and a compute model of the right standard, right?

Like to actually parse the bits...

Sure super aliens could but could post apocalyptic humans in a few centuries, who have regained enough stability to care about such things?

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I feel like anyone advanced enough to have use for ancient human DNA data will also be advanced enough to decode unfamiliar storage formats

[–] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My mom had use for human DNA back in the '80s, and she was a dumbass

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can confirm. I gave your mom loads of human DNA back in the 80's

[–] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Greg?? Great to see you man. Kick the heroin?

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 2 months ago
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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just enough space for a install of Windows and one AAA title game.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

COD developers are actively salivating at the thought!

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This is how we make the magic orbs a reality

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nice. We need something like this. Digital archiving is still best done on magnetic tape as disk and flash drives all fail after a few decades. But even for regular users, it'd be nice to keep a digital copy of family photos that lasts forever.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

As someone who works in a digital archives, let me tell you that the honest to god problem with old tape is that you have to find an old tape reader (drive) that works. Tape from those old IBM reals still works if its not exposed to the elements. But like the modern LTO stuff, finding a reader for that old stuff is the challenge.

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[–] MacStache@programming.dev 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

1: "Please, destroy my datacrystal when I die. Like a true friend." 2: "But dude...it's indestructible..." 3: "I will destroy the crystal! I will take it to mount doom!" 2: "...And my axe."

[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

1000°C aint that much, a blowtorch could easily reach that

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Wow, Kryptonians were really ahead of the curve.

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[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 14 points 2 months ago

Well on our way to the God Emperor's stolen journals now

[–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If all of this came true at an affordable consumer price, I think I would build a new computer just to use it

[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

if this comes even semi consumer grade Internet archivists (and pirates) are gonna have a field day

Why did you say the same thing twice like that? 🤔

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 months ago (18 children)

They say “billions of years” but that sounds like just the sort of thing a stray cosmic ray would ruin.

Maybe they’re planning on using a checksum for error correction like they do with RAID.

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[–] grandel@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Plastic is also indestructible and look where it got us

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, but imagine if microplastics had terabytes data on them. Finding plastic fibers in your testicles is a bummer, but finding the Lord of the Rings trilogy Director's Cuts in 4K? That would be pretty rad.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 10 points 2 months ago

I.. That's..

Yeah. That'd be pretty rad.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Plastic is also destructive and look where its profits got us

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[–] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Cardassisn optolythic data rod.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 months ago

IT’S A FAKE!

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, great can I buy it? No? Okay another 10 years then.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

This isn't a "this is your home PCs future storage" news. The read & write rates are probably abysmally slow and the intention here is for actual knowledge databases that may survive us as a species.

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