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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 110 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

One is a requirement to be an organism. The other is a nice to have. A great many creatures simply die after reproducing, for example, which we can interpret to mean the minimum requirement has been met and anything beyond that isn't as important, if we like to view it that way.

Forming that small person is also a bit of a chaotic and messy process involving chance errors of various kinds and variations in the way parts grew. In a sense, the person formed would never be exactly the same if you tried again with the same inputs either.

That this system works as well as it does is a miracle.

EDIT: Missing words.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So if I don't have kids I can be immortal. I can be the midlander. THERE CAN BE MORE THAN ONE!

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You die and whatever factors that lead you to not reproduce will become less common in the future.

That's the theory anyway!

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Woohoo. Income inequality and pollution will become less common.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Free will and vasectomies will become less common!

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[–] Blackout@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They got a tridge there too: Midland tridge

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I feel like once you hit your 40s, you really start to understand that concept of your body only being evolved enough to ensure that you can reproduce and the next generation survives.

In your 40s and you hurt your knee? Fuck you, your knee now hurts for the rest of your life - why aren't you dead already?

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Meanwhile, kids take hits all the time that would kill me instantly.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] theherk@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Pretty sure the artist here is littleporpoise.

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

When my son was a toddler, he went down a slide feet first but on his stomach. I had a complete brain fart and forgot to catch him at the bottom of the slide like I had always done in the past. He few about 3 feet, then landed on the ground on his stomach, his head whipped back and then slammed face first into the ground.

I remember thinking at the time, Jesus Christ, I would be DEAD if that happened to me. But yeah, he cried a little bit and walked it off.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

This makes me wonder; why then would women typically have longer life-spans then men? Once women hit menopause they are biologically useless for propogating the species whereas men retain the ability impregnate women for their whole lives.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

We're social creature and older generations can help rear children.

[–] Trabic@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Grandparents are valuable, and women tend to be smaller and require fewer resources to provide wisdom and babysitting.

Source: the top of my head.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

I saw something that mentioned having 2 X chromosomes is beneficial. Something about redundant copies of DNA which helps prevent some problems. I dunno, I'm not a scientist.

[–] gimsy@feddit.it 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think, that having purpose in life helps, and women tend to prioritize social connection from a very young age, therefore they are on average more connected and that helps in finding purpose. The rest is pure force of will to fulfill the purpose

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[–] Shou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Can ask the same about men. Orcas have menopause. Female orcas live somewhere between 60 and 90 years. Male orcas only 30. Also... post menopausal orcas pimp out their sons. Imagine your mom as your wingman.

We live so long because we rely on experience. Menopause (and andropause) are just ways to make sure the parents don't compete with their offspring, but stick around long enough to help.

Death and aging is needed to make animals stop reproducing. This is because the only way we can adapt to changing enviroments, is through having offspring with a mutation that is hopefully useful. Lots of algae, fungi, bacteria don't have this issue. They can just transfer genes they developed/found to anither member of its species like it's christmas. No need to die if you can just adapt your own genetics.

Menopause (and andropause to a lesser extent) is our copout and allows us to live longer.

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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Nature is messy and incredible.

[–] door_in_the_face@feddit.nl 6 points 2 months ago

Something the OOP also forgets to take into account is that a LOT of pregnancies fail. Especially in the early stages, before the pregnant person even knows that they're having a miscarriage.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

A great many creatures simply die after reproducing, for example, which we can interpret to mean the minimum requirement has been met and anything beyond that isn’t as important

Octopi are these incredibly intelligent and exceptionally resilient, but they kick it inside 3-5 years, typically right after reproducing.

[–] BalooWasWahoo@links.hackliberty.org 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like they should have made their kids' survival dependent on their survival. That's the ticket, right there. Now we just need to make our great-grandkids' survival dependent on our survival, and we'll all be healthy right into the next century!

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[–] match@pawb.social 64 points 2 months ago (2 children)

have you tried putting that ankle in a uterus for most of a year

[–] Zess@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

This is the best description of stem cell therapy I've ever seen.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 months ago

I've tried, the cops keep stopping me.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago

Physical therapy will rapidly accelerate your recovery time and results.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 months ago

Oh good. 4 more years to go.

[–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hmm sounds like they got old. Getting old is widely known to adversely affect your health.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's one of the leading causes of death actually

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[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Have you tried jizzing on the ankle? That's the secret sauce.

[–] Blackout@fedia.io 10 points 2 months ago

I just call my stem cell dealer and spackle that shit on

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago

No way. That's how you get a second ankle and then you got to support it for 18 years before it makes its way in the world.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

True, this can knock it down to like 4 years.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

Human body from birth to age 29: I am invincible!

Human body once you hit 30: Hey, remember that time your knee was sore for an hour when you were 12? Well now it's gonna be sore for the rest of your life

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Does anyone else just want those bacta tanks that they had Luke floating in after his hand was cut off or is that just me?

I bet you could do some serious shit to a person if you had something like that. Just crawl back into this cyber womb and we'll get you fixed up in a week.

[–] Exulion@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Still couldn't regrow limbs. Would definitely be nice though.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In Star wars that's because the journey that Luke Skywalker was going though was running in parallels with the first Irish King Nuada of the Tuatha de Danan, (in Welsh known as Llud) who lost his hand and his kingship due to the Irish requirement that Kings be physically flawless only to regain it with a hand made of silver that was magically attached to him.

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuada_Airgetl%C3%A1m

If the bacta tank had healed Luke's hand then he wouldn't have gotten the cool robot hand which gave him a point of familiarity with his own cyborg father in their final confrontation.

[–] PiJiNWiNg@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Behold the power of stem cells

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (6 children)

tail bone fracture enters the chat

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[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 10 points 2 months ago

Well... if a ship left the dock, there is only that much that can be repaired while its swimming.

[–] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)
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[–] phynics@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

this is why we always want to refactor

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you’re over thirty and your joint injury isn’t healing, take collagen.

[–] twig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The efficacy of taking collagen specifically is very much in question. It seems to be about as effective (but much more expensive) than just increasing protein consumption.

There are things you can do, like apply heat and to an extent certain supplements can help (glucosamine and turmeric are the notable ones that have evidence to support them). That said the main thing that really helps is doing dedicated and systematic strength and mobily training for your ankle.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What people tend to forget about infants and small children is that they are constantly exercising, eating a ton of calories, and then getting tons of sleep.

Adults, by contrast, tend to be very sedentary with slower metabolism and a ton of anxiety from stimulants/stress that prevent long, regular rest cycles.

Also, incidentally, if you really want to fuck up a child early in life... Malnutrition, immobility, anxiety, irregular sleep cycles, and lots of stimulants (particularly cigarettes) will have your teenagers looking geriatric.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The primary difference isn't the exercise but the level of human growth hormone, which starts to drop after age 30

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's because it's not worth it to save your life, evolutionary speaking.

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