Healthcare: ❎ "No, that's communism!"
Mandatory Labor: ✅ "Yes, that's patriotism!"
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Spin universal healthcare as "Those damn overpayed doctors should be forced to support their nation!" and BOOM, patriotism.
I legit believe it can be a matter of choice of words. I mean, for some issues.
Simply describe any leftist position without using charged words and I guarantee most republicans would be on board.
My mom is "pro-life." I interviewed her on what exactly she believed should be legislated. Turns out she's 100% pro choice but just doesn't like abortion.
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We could call it "The Large Jump Ahead" or something.
We're taking all the glasses and killing the birds too right?
No, we're just going to start using that pesticide that kills bird eggs again.
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For anyone else who didn't get the joke, I already googled it and figured it out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
If anyone is curious, I found it using, "Asian jump ahead" 😅
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Yeah, not doing volunteer farm work to give private people and corporations free work and profit.
If there were some state-owned ones that the food was used to feed public school kids or others on government programs, maybe.
But no way for someone else’s profit.
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Will they get to keep the produce? Otherwise, this is just slavery and very much in line with conservative ideology again.
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It was tried back in the 60's. It failed.
Wow, never heard of this, thank you
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Rich people will be exempt, of course.
People in University or with University Education will "of course" be exempted from this duty which, by an amazing coincidence will exempt the scions of the rich and upper middle class.
It's a similar technique as what's used in not just the US but also countries like the UK to make sure the children of "upper" classes don't have to endure certain hardships and have enhanced future opportunities even in accessing Upper Education: it's not at all *cough* *cough* because they're the children of wealthy parents, it's purelly because they frequent (expensive) private schools and the children of the poor and working class too when they frequent such schools have access to those things (the "small" detail that the poor and working class cannot actually afford it, remains unsaid).
Whenever a Neoliberal talks about how meritocratic their system is, remember that they defend privatised education, something which as I explained above just means a two tier system were those who can afford it purchase for their children easy access past certain gatekeepers of future opportunities such as access to certain Universities whilst the rest are in a different track - the state school system - with far lower chances, all of which is the very opposite of a merit-based system.
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Repeat after me class.
FUCK
YOU
PAY
ME
As someone who farmed for the first couple of decades of my life - no. We need to utilize drones for farming and ban the use of tires and fossil fuels (which deposit heavy metals) on fields.
Also pretty sure glyphosate/Roundup caused health issues for everyone I know and myself (all farmers/in farm communities). It's a neurotoxin and is in the entire Ogallala acquifer and most ground water around farms and their watershed. I spoke with a lead state toxicologist in the PNW about this. It verifiably has effects on fish and insects in the watershed here (which Monsanto claims is too diluted to have effects).
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I mean a national labor corps with incentivized participation isn't the worst idea. Gives people the opportunity to get work experience without necessarily having to understand their career direction in life.
Shouldn't be a draft in any circumstances but absolute crisis situation, like essential infrastructure is on the brink of total collapse and regular pay incentives aren't getting bodies on it fast enough.
Who knows, might get some people into work they didn't realize they'd gel with, plenty of inspector positions are behind work load and I've got s feeling a part of that is just people not knowing the work is out there.
I'd be super on board for this. Treat it similarly to the military, where room and board are provided, and they ship you to an underserved part of the country to help.
Especially if we extended the GI Bill to cover participating. Like, do 4 yrs and you get full tuition covered at any public university.
I think it would really promote national unity and help to lift people out of poverty. You'd have people from all over the country working together, bridging a lot of our internal divisions. You'd get people out of their bubbles and echo chambers and have them actually seeing the country.
If we could normalize it, where it's just what people did after highschool, it would give people time to figure their lives out. Remove the pressure of having to choose a career right away. I know so many people who "had to go to college" because that was the next step, but didn't have a clue what they wanted in life, so got useless majors and have dead ended. This would be perfect for people like that.
Plus infrastructure in the US is a joke. And even as the OP implies, farming is a broken business in the US for a number of reasons. There are never enough people working soup kitchens and food pantries, or cleaning up our national forests to prevent forest fires. If we could mobilize our young people en masse, we could make a huge difference in this country.
I'm 1000% on board.
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Without a draft it's just a Keynsian jobs program like CCC or Teach for America. Not the worst idea in the world.
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Every* American Citizen
- Except my kids, obviously.
That's the beauty of it.
Conservatives will push for laws that affect urban public schools and have their kids in private schools or live outside city limits.
Why should we be subsidizing labor costs for large agribusiness?
I can think of a lot more virtuous forms of national service.
The next post explains that agriculture is so important, it should be controlled by the government, with quotas, and rations...
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What’s “our farms” do we own the means of production? Do I get food or resources from this farm? Wtf
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As long as every farmer has to work in the city for a year.
No, the farmers design bridges and dams.
The engineers work in hospitals.
The doctors we shoot for being nerds.
Perfect society.
Edit: we also kill all the sparrows for some reason.
I'm pretty sure many of those farmers, especially the young ones would not return to the farm. Farmers are stuck in the fantasy that they don't need the cities. They don't need any products beyond what they need to ride in the their GPS controlled air conditioned tractor as it plows perfectly straight rows. None of which is built on the farm.
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Probability that this person is over 30?
Every American has to do one season of farm work but all food is now free. Monkey's paw curls and all that.
Farmers can't just have free labor and still get all the profits.
i think we should force everyone to do at least 2 years of philosophical education and study.
It would unironically be good for the average persons intelligence.
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So there was a reduction of family-operators farming between 1950 and 1990; by 74%. Of course, the number of hired workers has risen. On the surface that makes sense. I would imagine that farms hire illegal immigrants so that they can pay them less than the minimum visa-required pay (which is slightly more than minimum wage); probably also do not provide much in the way of benefits or vacation either. That’s my hunch.
But if i were a young man, and i went through college, and was struggling finding a career in my field and facing the student debt i no-doubt accrued during college, i sure as shit wouldn’t want to spend any amount of time doing indentured servitude. If i did, I’d voluntarily join the Peace Corps or something.
This is insane.
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The person that wrote that is like 31 years old last week
and
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
old habits et cetera
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I'm 47.
Get back on the farm, slaves. Danny needs his guava juice.
Get bent loser I have a job and house and life, if I go farm for you I'll lose it. Steal a kid like the army does.
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Sure, but only if all Americans have to work for, and live on, one year of service industry work - like waiting tables, checking out customers, or serving fast food. Especially the rich ones.
We unironically do this with people looking to get temporary working visas in Australia. It's wild.
Yeah no, I would die. I can't operate a lawnmower without crippling myself for a good couple of days with allergies, insects will go out of their way to sting/bite me instead of anyone else, and I am too pale to be outside for long periods of time without blistering. Stick me in a factory instead.
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