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"REM sleep is the next AI" (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 months ago by cypherpunks@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.world

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/19628702

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screenshot of this bluesky post (which you can read without logging in here) from ‪@comraderobot.bsky.social‬ ("Notorious RBMK") saying:

my friend who still lives in palo alto gave me permission to share this mailer he got.

there’s unhinged and then there’s tech unhinged

image in post has two photos of people wearing EEG electrodes, one xray of a human head, an EEG data plot over a silhouette of a head, and this text:

REM sleep is the next Al

The upcoming era of physical reality integrated with dream worlds advanced by the REMspace startup

Controlling a smart home from dreams

Transferring speech from dreams

Controlling virtual cars from dreams

Interacting with dream worlds using brain implants

Social media for sharing dream journals

Smart sleep masks powered by Al

Many other breakthroughs from our lab (videos and tech)

Don't miss the pitch of the year for potential partners and investors

Aug 29th Palo Alto

Above the image is an (inaccurate) BlueSky label saying "Possible tumblr screenshot" with a "hide" button.

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the guy behind this startup:

(CW bloody photos) "I confirm the information published in the Daily Mail. On May 17, 2023, I performed by myself trepanation, electrode implantation, and electrical stimulation of my brain's motor cortex. I needed it to test brain stimulation during lucid dreaming"

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-implants-chip-brain-control-dreams-hospital-1814256

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[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 87 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Even if all of that worked, why would I want it?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 106 points 2 months ago (5 children)

You don't want it.

But the people who can put ads on your dreams want it.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 41 points 2 months ago

Man, Futurama was shockingly prescient, wasn't it.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 months ago

Does anyone else remember Microsoft's amazingly tone deaf slide deck about how integrating their systems and making thing seamless across multiple platforms including mobile phones and laptops would allow people to work during any/every spare moment in their lives, like while commuting?

Businesses want to own every moment of your life not strictly required for continued existence. If they can normalize using sleep time for extra "passive" income by using your dream power or by just renting out "spare" brain computation power, they will.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hustle mindset. 25/8 work ethic, baby. It is actually incredibly cool and fun to be a cog in the corporate machine. Liberty! Whiskey! Sexy! They're giving out the good soma when you work in the Dream Mines, baby! Get with the program!

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

You really don't have any interest in controlling virtual cars with your dreams? That alone has me signing up as an investor.

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I sort of already do. It's called dreaming about driving a car.

I think these folks forgot that random dreams play an important role in information processing. I'd rather not mess with that too much.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I heard that their tech will lower the virtual carbon footprint of the car you are dreaming about driving.

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[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i hope you're joking but if you're not i assume you live in the bay area? if you want to go to their pitch tonight, here's its eventbrite.

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[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 11 points 2 months ago

Yeah, that'll go great when the car is suddenly driving 14 miles down the driveway of the house I lived at as a child - a driveway that is walkable in less than a minute - before entering the garage which is a large house that slightly resembles a place I used to work and has a view over a clock tower that may or may not be larger when you look at it from a different angle and I think I'll nap in this bed that's here.

Now tell me: Where is the car relative to its position when that five-second-long dream sequence began, and will that pedestrian ever walk again?

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[–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 50 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Tbh, if it were possible to record dreams or reliably trigger vivid lucid dreams, that could be one of the most significant breakthroughs in the history of art, recreation, and psychology. The fact that some startup is trying to grift on the idea with IoT/gig economy bullshit doesn't change that.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

if it were possible to record dreams

mmmm.... this is gonna destroy a whole lotta marriages. My wife knows I'm scum so I'll probably be ok.

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I saw the tagline and thought it meant that REM sleep is the next big thing people invest in because sleep is good for your health so they're selling solutions to boost your sleep quality

Boy was I wrong

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Please Choose Your 8-Hour Ad Experience to Continue Your Free-Tier Dream

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[–] nilclass@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh, so they can't get autonomous driving to work, thus the next step is to get people who are sleeping to steer the cars remotely

[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But do I get paid for that?

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're going to ender's game you. It'll be pitched as a game or training and it'll come out it was real cars

[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I will totally abide by all traffic rules when playing a virtual reality driving game in my sleep. Nothing can go wrong there.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 7 points 2 months ago

Well, in the case of Ender's Game, that was the point. Trick kids into thinking they were playing a game and they wouldn't think twice about being as brutal as necessary to win. So if your goal is to have cars murder people, having people control them with their dreams is a pretty good idea.

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[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (4 children)

This is just the game "Hypnospace Outlaw"

[–] ReynT1me@lemmy.one 10 points 2 months ago

Everyone needs to be warned about the danger of Beefbrain

[–] call_me_xale@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or the original plot of The Matrix, before the studio execs decided audiences were too stupid.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, to be fair, they were.

What started as an allegory for the path of a trans person realizing they're trans and taking "the red pill" to find the reality of their world and escape "the Matrix" that forces them into a confined box in which they don't actually fit...

...turned into the dumbest bro'd out bullshit from people who think the "red pill" means you're the strongest smartest man who is has figured out society and you're a superman like Neo who can fly and shit.

Honestly, I'm on the side of executives on this one. Most people are too fucking stupid for it.

[–] kinkles@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

From what I’ve read, The Matrix wasn’t created as a trans allegory, it’s just that you can apply the fundamentals of its story to many concepts. One of the most popular interpretations happens to be gender identity because its creators transitioned years after the original trilogy ended.

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[–] watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Glad to see I’m not the only person on earth who has played it. Such a remarkable, funny and weird game. Still trying to get that damned Seepage song out of my head.

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[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can already drive a real car in my dreams by taking Ambien

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I guess people with mind blindness or blurry minds will be fucked out of luck on this tech, huh?

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Aphantasic here. We still dream. It's all about whether you're a visualizer or a conceptualizer, we're not brain damaged.

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[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 months ago

HypnOS 2025 looks insane

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I totally want a copy of the dream I had last night where someone stole my motor scooter and I was chasing them around a parking lot

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

There's a free tier, which means the dream is same but there are billboards all around the parking lot

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They know that sleep isn't wasted time, right?

Your brain uses sleep and dreams to integrate memories and learning.

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[–] Thrife 13 points 2 months ago

Oh nice, I can control my smart home by dreams?

Me: *sleeps Coffee machine starts making coffee. Me: *sleeps

Can't wait!

[–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Possible Tumblr screenshot

What? Why does that need a special notice? Why is that relevant at all?

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That label is there because I'm subscribed to XBlock Screenshot Labeller and it misclassified this image. (You can find here and here more info about how labelers in ATP work...)

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[–] Naich@lemmings.world 11 points 2 months ago

Jesus, that's some real desperate idiots there.

[–] Hazzia@infosec.pub 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

These guys are so behind the curve. I've already interacted with Dream worlds countless times using this little-known hack called "dreaming." Look it up, you won't be disappointed.

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[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 months ago

This has to be a joke

[–] s_s@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Better sleep would actually improve people's lives rather than just making it worse.

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[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 9 points 2 months ago

So will people pay to have Nicolas Cage in their dreams, or will they pay to not have him in their dreams?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Scenario

[–] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It just occurred to me how similar AI images are to dreams, always related to the prompt, but never quite how a conscious brain would imagine it. All the weird, illegible text, the grotesque bodies, etc. really do match up fairly well with unconsciousness.

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[–] fiend_unpleasant@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago

I want to upvote the warning and downvote it contents

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I have all ready seen total recall

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The last thing I want to dream about is tweaking a thermostat.

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