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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 88 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

I was feeling an itch to quantify this list and look at the impact of recent elections as well. Here’s the tallies as I found them from the source-

USA- 58 interventions, 3 since 2000

Soviet Union/Russia- 38 interventions, 9 since 2000

China- 20 interventions, 18 since 2000

Saudi Arabia- 4 interventions, 3 since 2000

Iran- 4 interventions, 3 since 2000

Israel- 3 interventions, all post-2000

India- 3 interventions, 2 since 2000

France- 3 interventions, 2 since 2000

There’s a smattering of others with 1-3 interventions but these were the main ones.

[–] Zwiebel 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

The US' glory days are clearly in the past 😔

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I’m happy to see most of the hypocrisy limited to the Cold War. Well, that we know of, at least.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

‘20, but yeah, pretty much par for the course for the Trump admin. Great example of the blowback not being worth it, but that’s never stopped the CIA from trying some dumbass shit.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Makes sense, solidify capitalism globally and help crush any existing communist state. Jobs done so why continue I guess...

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

My take is the blowback isn’t really worth the effort (Iran as a prime example) so they’ve mostly stopped, but maybe that’s just me hoping for a less cynical reality.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

the US switched to sanctions and is now sanctioning like 30% of the world. For instance, afaik, the trump sanctions on venezuela started the current uptick of venezuelan refugees

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[–] andrewth09@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Kids these days don't even know how to rig an election. What are they even teaching in schools.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Vatican City having one was a highlight for me

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The Vatican, another theocratic state instantiated by far right extremists. The Vatican as a modern nation state was formalized by Mussolini.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Saudi Arabia- 4 interventions, 3 since 2000

This feels like an undercount.

Israel- 3 interventions, all post-2000

This feels like an enormous undercount.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

They’re not the greatest to their former colonies. Gave Russia the opening in West Africa imo

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 44 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Remember, these are just the ones known publicly. There's most likely been a lot that aren't known publicly done by countries other than America

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Russian disinformation campaigns are basically everywhere in Western democracies at this point, they're just hard to measure and to formally pin on the Kremlin directly.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And you think American campaigns are not? Any big power is doing it.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's a bit trickier to have a stable and efficient disinformation apparatus in place when you change governments every 4 years. Whatever is directly supported by the government would have to be supported by both the Trump and the Biden cabinets, or start from scratch every fourth year. The Kremlin doesn't have that problem.

Of course, the US military and certain other institutions tend to run their own side show. We all know the US was tapping phone lines in Berlin for decades, and there's little reason to believe they have fundamentally changed.

As a European, I'm just somewhat more worried about Russia at the moment, considering their support for the far right, successful effort to get Trump elected, the war in Ukraine, and all that. But by all means, I'm not naive to the US either, and I'm not sure why you would assume that I am.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 months ago

That's definitely true, but America is different for their internal affairs than for their external affairs (as is any country). America's habit of meddling with other countries is a bipartisan effort.

Of course as an European I'm also more worried about Russia and China as ideologically they are more distant to us.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (5 children)

This list is very incomplete. I'm noticing American coups in at least Pakistan with Imran Khan and 2020 Venezuela are missing. Also Afghanistan doesn't exist on that list?

[–] kersplomp@programming.dev 19 points 3 months ago

Cool, you should add those in and find some sources. It's Wikipedia

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[–] Skua@kbin.earth 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

While responsible for more than any other country, they are not listed as responsible for a majority on that page. 57 out of 125.

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[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Our greatest export: PODTOP

Peaceful Orderly Democratic Transition of Power

[–] gndagreborn@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 months ago
[–] cabbage@piefed.social 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I think it's unfair to the hard working people of the Kremlin to exclude any election featuring Geert Wilders, Nigel Farage, or Marine Le Pen from this list.

[–] kersplomp@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago

Feel free to add it to the list. It's Wikipedia.

[–] aasatru@kbin.earth 15 points 3 months ago (4 children)

It's funny how Israel is routinely interfering in US elections, considering that they're just a well trained US overseas territory according to folks over at the .ml instances.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago

The most ethical instance in the world.

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[–] rimu@piefed.social 9 points 3 months ago

Also also USA is the country who's elections are most intervened in - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_electoral_interventions#United_States

No interventions in any of China's elections for some reason.

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