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They seem like one more bodily detail to tend to without much benefit, and sometimes more detriment (breaking a nail or scratching oneself up, ouch!).

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[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Cut your fingernails way too short, then try to pick up something small. Not even with the nail part.

The hard flat back gives your flesh something to press up against when pinching. Imagine pulling a hair out of your arm with your fingers. Easy, right? Now imagine pulling a hair out of your arm with your lips.

As to why they grow and wear out and break, what the hell else should they be made of? Hands take a beating and you're better off with a material that grows back when it's worn away.

And finally, why do we have toenails? Mostly because they used to be leg hands. Your toenails actually grow about 3 times slower than fingernails, so that might be evidence of how much less useful they are to us.

[–] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The hard flat back gives your flesh something to press up against when pinching. Imagine pulling a hair out of your arm with your fingers. Easy, right? Now imagine pulling a hair out of your arm with your lips.

Are...Your fingers boneless? For awhile I kept my fingernails cut probably far too short and didn't have too much trouble pulling the occasional arm hairs. That said, point stands regarding picking up smaller stuff, and I appreciate the amusing visual and nail enthusiasm!

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Have you ever tried to scratch your balls with the tip of a hot dog?

[–] rumschlumpel 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Every other mammal has finger/toenails, most of them make very good use of it, others not that much (e.g. elephant toenails look pretty useless). Organisms don't necessarily keep inherited traits because they're useful, but because they're not very detrimental.

[–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

as a person with burned fingers and having lost two nails:

you absolutely need:

the feeling in your fingertips and nails

if you want to pick up or manipulate finicky things.

i cant pick up coins with my left hand, when i am at the supermarked check out.

i lost the nail at the thumb, the thumb is very important for digit function

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

I recall reading something about how they give you more tactile sensation on the part opposite and let you expert more pressure but it was a little while ago, might be hearsay.

[–] kopasz7@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

It helps with touching, percieving surfaces better if there is a hard flat support behind.

[–] sgibson5150@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 months ago

Nosepickers and ass scratchers must have an evolutionary advantage.

[–] spoot@mander.xyz 6 points 2 months ago

Because fingernails (or early versions of it) helped our cladistic ancestors survive hundreds of millions of years ago, maybe more. Maybe it helped them find food or protect themselves, or some other reason that isn't so intuitive. Certainly they helped us (as humans) to survive, but the reason we have fingernails right now is just a happy accident.

Many people in this thread or conflating what we use them for today, right now, as reasons why we have them, which isn't exactly right. Certainly they are multifunctional, especially in a modern context, but that is not the reason why we have them. All these reasons posted in this thread remind me of Psychological Evolutionists that only use logic and intuition to find reasons to why we do things the way we do, but in reality it often just happens to be that way. There is no reason for evolution other then happenstance and happy accidents.

tl;dr - We didn't evolve fingernails to pick up dropped coins, our cladistic ancestors evolved them (likely many hundreds of millions of years ago) for some reason that I don't know. Maybe to dig things up or defence. Who knows. Any way we use them today is likely just a bonus.

P.S. I don't like using evolved as a verb, as if it was a conscious undertaking. It arguably isn't, not really.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

Picking up change and snorting coke.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I remember reading of a special treatment that makes them sturdy like claws. I won't mind that. A multitool made out of your fingernails can be pretty handy.

[–] Asetru 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Day 16 with claws. Wrecked the bedsheets again tonight. My nose is constantly bleeding because I keep picking it in moments of relaxed forgetfulness. My butthole burns like I ate chilis because I still haven't figured out how to wipe it - my family has learned to live with the smell while I keep practicing yoga to eventually be able to give it the cat treatment. Gwen still refuses to be touched after the incident last week... But even the desire to be caressed won't convince me otherwise. This is me. I am a weapon to protect what I love. My body, my choice - and threats of divorce won't get between me and my constitutional rights to protect my family.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Waved at a cop and got shot. I was wearing mittens at the time so this is mostly unrelated to the claws.

[–] cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

any source/link on making the nails harder?

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

I encountered this in some paper encyclopedia as a fun fact and I struggle to google it now, so probably it's BS. I recall people who make world records out of their nail lenght use acryl and oil, but it doesn't seem to help that much. The base of the nail seems to be the weakest part of that scheme, and even a metal claw would probably get torn from the finger under any serious pressure causing more problems that it solves.

[–] Twinkletoes@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

You ever get a head scratch from someone with nice long fingernails? 🤤

[–] Tabula_stercore@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Same reasons monkeys have them; it helps with grabbing on to branches. The stiffness of the nail results in an increased grip strength, because the forces are blocked.