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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also animal agriculture stealing food from people in the global south.

[–] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

https://awellfedworld.org/scarcity-vs-distribution/ yupp people want to pin it on climate change, which is a big problem, but don't want to see how big an impact eating animals has on this stuff. Animal ag is terrible for the environment (emissions, deforestation, water use, and land destruction in non-forested areas), it steals crops out of our mouths, and it's torturing and murdering literally incomprehensible numbers of innocent animals each year.

If you're reading this and still eat animal products, this is the sign that it's time to stop. Please, the animals, the earth, and our own species can't take it much longer, they should have never had to take any in the first place.

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Meat and dairy consumption are a big factor, but they're just symptoms of a larger problem, which is capitalism. Artificial scarcity makes people money, as do the meat and dairy industries. We should all be going after corporations and lobbyists, not individuals. Not that your comment came across as an attack, personal changes can be good, but they're a drop in the massive wasteful bucket, just like carbon emissions and single use plastics. Just a distraction from the real issue.

[–] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Continuing to eat animals does create a pretty big conflict of interest tho, it's a lot harder to be motivated to stop animal agriculture while you still use it. (Same can be said of fossil fuels, although outside the maga crowd it's less common for people to have such strong emotional attachments to them, and the alternatives are much less controversial. It's also a lot more feasible to stop eating animal products now than it is to stop using fossil fuels now)

[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago

We should all be going after corporations and lobbyists, not individuals.

If we "go after" corporations and lobbyists, the individuals who buy their products will defend them.

We can't effectively fight factory farming when meat eating individuals demand politicians protect their hamburgers.

We can't effectively fight Big Oil when individual drivers demand politicians give them cheap gas and wider roads.

We can't effectively fight plastic production when individual customers demand plastic straws and bags and disposable everything.

The idea that we can change capitalist society from the top down is a fiction designed to lull the individual consumer into a state of mindless consumption. You can keep driving and eating meat and throwing away bag after bag of plastic, without guilt, because they tell you your individual choices don't matter. You can continue living your unsustainable lifestyle and buying everything the capitalist machine sells, because you're voting for the right politicians, and that means you're doing your part.

Come on.

[–] LowleeKun 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Any people who believe they can not, i would recommend going to eat out at some vegan places from time to time in order to realize that you won't really miss out on anything. The fomo is not warrented. Also you won't lose friends. Or anything really. You will gain however a good feeling about what you eat. Can recommend.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You will lose friends if you're surrounded by idiots, though.

[–] LowleeKun 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are you talking about people not wanting to be your friend because of you going/being vegan? I have yet to meet someone like this. Not sure i would try to befriend those people anyways, sounds like a special breed of intolerant prick.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well yeah. The more you care, the more you will naturally disconnect for the average person around you. It's not necessarily a bad thing.

[–] LowleeKun 1 points 3 months ago

Disconnecting from the people around me does not sound healthy but you do you.

[–] nous@programming.dev 6 points 3 months ago

Went hungry is a bit of an understatement... I went hungry yesterday because I forgot to eat lunch. The other term they use later on 'facing chronic undernourishment' describes the problem a lot better.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How did we allow our population to grow to 8 billion!!!!

[–] grandel@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

There's enough food for everybody on the planet. We just rather feed it to live stock than other people.