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Pessimistic young Germans turning to far right, says study (www.dw.com)
submitted 7 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world
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German teenagers and young adults find themselves increasingly unsatisfied and likely to vote for the far right, according to a survey. Fears about prosperity are highlighted as a possible cause.

Young people are more likely to vote for the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) than previously, a study on Tuesday showed.

Authors of the "Youth in Germany 2024" study said that under-30s were increasingly disgruntled with their social and economic situation, and that fears about future prosperity were driving a shift to the right.

The AfD's signature issue is a hard-line anti-immigration stance, and the data showed that migration was among young people's main concerns.

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The online study, conducted in January and February, found that young people were becoming increasingly dissatisfied, especially with their social and economic situation, compared with previous years.

After the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic, the authors said economic and political worries for example due to inflation, high rents, the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East or the division of society had taken center stage.

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[–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I know I am throwing stones in glass houses because I am saying this as a person from the US, but wow Germany is a really scary country, it seems like the culture is always extremely primed to radicalize its young men into serious violence around an obsession with masculine and machine strength/purity.

The US is a scarier country in most respects, and certainly has the same issue, but Germany is a much older culture and these brainworms seem to have ingrained deeper into their cultural mindset in some ways.

Are leftist movements growing to a similar degree among young people in Germany?

[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Far right parties in Europe:

https://i.redd.it/8k6dmkhapwvc1.jpeg

[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Polls for AFD in Germany are currently about twice that.

[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's irrelevant, the idea that modern day Germany is uniquely fertile ground for far right parties is easily disproven

[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That may very well be, but I don't see how your link is relevant either.

[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It proves exactly what I just wrote?

[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I must have higher standards for what constitutes proof than you have.

It's not that I disagree with your point or agree with the post you were replying to. I just don't see how your image supports or refutes any of it.

[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You don't see how other countries having similar or more popular far right parties is proof that Germany is not uniquely far right?

[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

You posted an outdated picture without explanation, and now you changed your own description of what point you're trying to make ("uniquely fertile ground" vs "uniquely far right"), and now you're trying to turn this around on me.

No, I don't see how an outdated picture that doesn't reflect the current reality proves or refutes anything.

For the record, again, I don't necessarily disagree with you, I don't think Germany has unique circumstances or w/e that make it especially vulnerable to far right ideology. I just think you're doing an awful job and bringing your point across.

And now I'll stop replying with multiple paragraphs to your one-line comments, obviously you're not putting much effort into them.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Germany isn't as progressive and nice as their PR department tells you. I got sick of hearing about how perfect Germany is for years, knowing it was all bullshit. They're barely just now catching up on decriminalizing pot.

[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What PR department?

Which European countries have a more progressive policy regarding cannabis?

[–] withabeard@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Young people were especially worried about:

  • inflation (65%),
  • expensive housing (54%),
  • poverty in old age (48%),
  • the division of society (49%)

Aaah yes, that classical list of things that a fiscally right party would solve ...

[–] tal@lemmy.today 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I think that "division of society" may be a euphemism for non-ethnically-homogenous society and friction resulting from that. I've seen similar uses before.

[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

I am seeing a division of society, and it's due to the likes of AFD + members of CSU & CDU pushing populist bullshit. People that fell for that likely also see a division of society, but they're blaming "wokeism" for it.

I don't think it refers to ethnic homogeny.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Are German history classes shit? Do they not know what happened the last time a right winger got into power after inflation?

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

The history classes are alright.

The education system is abysmal.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm super left, almost anarchistic, radically left, after decades of seeing things get worse. But at times you go so far left that you disagree with other liberals, and their first response is "you're a Maga conservative" just cause I didn't agree with their elitist, college liberalism ideas that are all talk and ineffective.

The way so many young liberals are becoming way more rude, aggressive. Elitist, and so hard headed that they won't budge even an inch right or left on an issue is a huge turn off to most people. If someone to their right even so much as disagrees in a polite way, they get called names and insulted, instead of educated. No wonder so many young people just jump to the far right when they see how so many young liberals behave.

I'm for sure gonna get dowvoted and called a conservative for calling out these young of privileged, college liberals who look down on everyone

[–] febra@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's no way you call yourself "super left" or "radical left" and identify with the term "liberal".. Liberalism is the polar opposite of "radical left"

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Jesus. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Is there a news letter or website that gives out the proper terms and most widely accepted labels, 2024 edition? I've been around long enough to see all these labels cycle through the mainstream lexicon. They mean something new every few years.

But of course that's what you wanna single out, the fact that I use different labels than you, therefore I couldn't possibly be anything like you right? It's like you people WANT division, tribalism and segregation. You actively seek out things to get upset and in a fight about, which is exactly what they want.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Look mate, if you just said "I'm a democrat so I'm a liberal" I would've understood that. I'm not that nitpicky about it. But a self identifying "RADICAL LEFTIST" would absolutely never identify himself with the term "liberal". Hell, radical leftists (and including the far left) use that term as an insult. Which of course raises some questions when you use it for yourself while also being "far left". It makes it seem like you're roleplaying the "radical leftist" role. Just my two cents, you do you.

Also, no, "liberal" hasn't changed definitions, ever. It was always the same thing: an adherent to liberalism. If you're far left you're a commie or an anarchist or whatever. Communism/Anarchism has nothing to do with Liberalism. They're on different parts of the political spectrum. If you're from the US I'll make this easy for you: both democrats and republicans count as liberals. They're both adherent parties to liberalism.

That's like claiming you're a far right socialist lol

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've likely been around long before you, I've survived transform, I've been through war, I've survived anti Communist death squads, I've seen the jungles full of civilians fleeing capitalist bombs. don't think you can educate me on the world.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Then go take a political science class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

There is absolutely nothing to discuss here. This is not "the world". This is political science. And it isn't up for any weird debate. It's a term written in countless research papers and field texts, and is not up for change due to whatever definition you guys happen to read in the news today.

[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

From your link: "In Europe and North America, the establishment of social liberalism (often called simply liberalism in the United States) became a key component in expanding the welfare state."

Idk, that seems compatible with most of the left-of-center spectrum, and certainly not something you would find a libertarian or conservative supporting. I can see how it's not compatible with auth-left positions, though.

Perhaps you're referring to neoliberalism, which, in my understanding, dropped all the social welfare stuff in favor of corporate welfare. In that case, I can understand how that term could be used as an insult.

In my eyes liberalism != neoliberalism. I consider myself liberal, and I despise neoliberal policies.

[–] antidote101@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Vienna is right next door where %60 of people live in public housing, and it apparently works well because in Vienna, public housing isn't kist for the poor.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-04/vienna-s-social-housing-and-low-rent-strategy/102639674

[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

Vienna is certainly a great example for public housing done right, but I don't see how it's relevant to the post. As far as I'm aware, Austria's problem with right wing populism is even worse than in Germany.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What about Die Linke? You'd expect they would reap gains if the conventional parties are losing ground, but they're not mentioned.

[–] SrTobi@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

Die linke Split into two Parties where one is useless and the other .. Well... we'll see. Problem is that the far right is just Very good at making TikTok content atm.

[–] DerTobi_NerdsWire_de@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

But in the same time, the far right clowns are at a five year low. Cause the correctiv scandal and even more, the Russian and China corruption connection it will lower in time. And the protests where really good.