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[meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago by Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world
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Calvin (from Calvin & Hobbes) sitting at a lemonade stand, smiling, with a sign that reads, "Trains and micromobility are inevitably the future of urban transportation, whether society wants it or not. CHANGE MY MIND."

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[–] Boi@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Tbh, as someone living in rural community all i want is decent public transportation of any sort. Like, it would be nice to have trains or escooters but, we don't even have busses ( though that having been said i don't how busses would get out here without it making tarc fare more expensive) or making bikes or scooter ( e or otherwise) a viable option in my area or making walking a more viable option. Admittedly i don't know how they would do the last one but, the others they've been trying to do for awhile. I'm hoping that this not only made sense but, actually was on point.

[–] FleetingTit@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

The US (and much of europe) needs to realize that car centric planning is not the solution to mobility problems, it's the cause! Suburbia could be more walkable if a few steps were taken during planning:

  • narrower roads (less wasted space, slower driving speeds, shorter distances)

  • Pedestrian paths that connect cul-de-sacs and streets (quicker access to higher order roads for pedestrians)

  • mixed use zoning/town houses (bring destinations to the people)

  • no mandatory minimum parking requirements for businesses (same advantages as my first point)

[–] 666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you feel about utility trucks and stuff? Like how are you gonna move homes without atleast a van?

[–] garden_boi@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What kind of argument is this? Mostly pedestrian, public transport and bicycle based cities still have utility trucks and vans which you can use when you really need to. It's a pain to navigate the city and the parking fees are high, but it's something you would totally accept to for moving homes.

You can try googling "How to move homes in Amsterdam" and see whether people there manage to move homes.

TLDR: It's not black and white, nobody wants to prohibit EVERY SINGLE MOTORIZED VEHICLE FOR EVERY SINGLE USECASE.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll get downvoted, but most of this community 100% reads like "fuck all cars all the time"

[–] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm being somewhat flippant, but cars aren't vans.

By that, a van has a primary practical utility of being used to transport a lot of goods.

Cars' primary utility is to transport people.

Yes sometimes people use their car to move a lot of stuff (I've done this myself more times than I can remember) but the vast majority of the time it's just moving you.

Edit: rephrase and more info

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know this, but someone that just happens upon the community is most likely not gonna do enough poking around other posts to see that. Especially with the "deathtrap murderweapon vehicle users" mentality some people here have.

[–] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why there are different communities. This discussion was had a lot over at the other place, "fuck cars" is not exactly intended as the first contact people have with the thought that 'maybe car centric infrastructure isn't so great?'.

[–] garden_boi@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

On lemmy, is there some other place which is better suited for those people? (other than the German !oeffentlicherverkehr@feddit.de)

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Driverless cars will very much have a future because you can't build trains everywhere. They won't be personally owned though, i.e. they'll be robotaxis. Just imagine cities without parked cars.

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