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[–] wipasoda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Well to a certain degree I guess. They're never going to be as equal as numbers can. What is even meant by men and women being "equal"? Equality of opportunity?

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Equity: equality of available options.

Plus a whole huge swathe of problematic gender expectations to squash to boot.

No, it's not about squashing the identities themselves, it's about squashing the gendered expectations. Women shouldn't be expected to know how to do laundry, cook, or avoid dirty jobs. Men shouldn't be expected to be tough and "walk off" injury and trauma, etc.

Sure, only some are "different", but remember: It's not about dissing or removing the identities themselves, (outside of the highly problematic ones like the very machismo man) it's about not setting them as expectations for everyone.

[–] wipasoda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Women shouldn’t be expected to know how to do laundry, cook, or avoid dirty jobs. Men shouldn’t be expected to be tough and “walk off” injury and trauma, etc.

I know I'm walking a fine line, but still, in general, women have certain interests/traits and thus have their own skills/tendencies: care for children, avoid dirty jobs, etc. And men are tougher thus can more easily "walk off" injury and trauma. So when you see a man and a woman in an accident, both relatively little wounded, would it be morally bad to say to the man "you can probably walk it off", and to the woman "do you need more help with that?" ? Because there is just a higher probability of this being the case. This shouldn't obviously taken for granted, but if you don't know them, and the injuries are right in the middle where you kind of expect them to be okay, but are just on the verge of asking/stating anyway, you would say these things and thus distinguish between them based on gender. Is that so bad?

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What good does it bring to expect that people behave according to gendered biases? We all know it brings a lot of misery. I think people should think really hard if they prefer to believe in stereotypes about gender because it benefits them somehow more if this status quo is kept.