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What if the problem with cars was not their method of propulsion? Epthinktank | European Parliament (epthinktank.eu)

submitted 7 months ago by revisable677@feddit.de to c/europe@feddit.de

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Instead of just electrifying vehicles, cities should be investing in alternative methods of transportation. This article is by the Scientific Foresight Unit of the European Parliamentary Research Service (EPRS), a EU's own think tank.

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[–] AlexS@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Bicycles and trains are hundreds of times more efficient than cars in terms of energy and space…

A fast train like TGV, ICE or Shinkansen needs 10 kWh per passenger per 100 km. This includes infrastructure like heated railway switches, train stations, etc.

This is not much more energy efficient than an electric car.

And bike crashes don’t kill over a million people per year globally.

Compare the passenger-kilometers done by car and by bike.

[–] SirHenry@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Yeah where did you get these energy numbers for the train? But you can use regenerative energy surces and since train wheels are mostly made of metal there is almost no microplastic produced.

I dont think you can kill as many people with bikes than you can with a car.

All in all some weak ass counter arguments.

[–] AlexS@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Only German and Swiss sources, sorry for that. But should not differ much to other countries.

But you can use regenerative energy surces

Same with electric cars.

I dont think you can kill as many people with bikes than you can with a car.

If bikes would drive the same annual passenger-kilometers, they would.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If bikes would drive the same annual passenger-kilometers, they would.

This is insanely deceptive.

This could only possibly be true if cars continued to be used at the same rate. The vast majority of deaths involving cycling are from cyclists being killed by cars. If people traveled as many miles by bike as by car today, cycling deaths would be practically eliminated because there would be no cars to murder them.

[–] AlexS@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

You're right that 60% of all accidents of bikes are with cars. And of these 75% are caused by cars. Link So with less cars and better infrastructure bike-accidents could be cut in half and deadly accidents nearly eliminated.

Glad that you accept trains as not much more energy efficient than cars.

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