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Whether or not to run over the pedestrian is a pretty complex situation.
Right?
I saw "in a complex situation" and thought "what's complex? Person in road = stop"
i recommend trying https://www.moralmachine.net/ and answering 13 questions to get some bigger picture. it will take you no more than 10 minutes.
you may find out that the problem is not as simple as 4 word soundbite.
In this week’s Science magazine, a group of computer scientists and psychologists explain how they conducted six online surveys of United States residents last year between June and November that asked people how they believed autonomous vehicles should behave. The researchers found that respondents generally thought self-driving cars should be programmed to make decisions for the greatest good.
Sort of. Through a series of quizzes that present unpalatable options that amount to saving or sacrificing yourself — and the lives of fellow passengers who may be family members — to spare others, the researchers, not surprisingly, found that people would rather stay alive.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/technology/should-your-driverless-car-hit-a-pedestrian-to-save-your-life.html
same link: https://archive.is/osWB7
Is every scenario on that site a case of brake failure? As a presumably electric vehicle it should be able to use regenerative breaking to stop or slow, or even rub against the guardrails in the side in each instance I saw
There's also no accounting for probabilities or magnitude of harm, any attempt to warm anyone, or the plethora of bad decisions required to put the car going what must be highway speeds down a city stroad with a sudden, undetectable complete brake system failure.
This "experiment" is pure, unadulterated propaganda.
Oh, and that's not even accounting for the intersection of this concept and negative externalities. If you're picking an "AI" driving system for your car, do you pick the socially responsible one, or the one that prioritizes your well-being as the owner? What choice do you think most people pick in this instance?
"here, take these extremely specific made up scenarios that PROVE I AM RIGHT UNEQUIVOCALLY except for the fact that all of them are edge cases, do not represent any of the actual fatalities we have seen and in no way are any of them representative of the case that sparked the whole discussion"
I think I'll skip the "Ai is always good and you're just too stupid to get why it should be allowed to kill people" website.
yeah, you didn't get it at all...
oh hey, you are starting to get it 😂
maybe, when you finally understand what someone is trying to tell you, act less smug, don't try to pretend you just got them, and you will look less like a clown.
the experiment is not about technical details, it is trying to convey the message that "what is the right thing to do" is not as easy to establish as you might think.
because yes, most people will tell you to protect more people at the expense of less, but that usually lasts only until the moment when they are part of the smaller group.
While I do agree that there are scenarios that are very complicated, I feel like this website does a very poor job at showing those. Almost every single scenario they show doesn't make sense at all. Why are there barriers on one side of the road, why does half the crosswalk have a red light while the other half has a green light?
what, have you never seen a construction on the road? have you never seen a traffic light, that is manually activated?
both of these scenarios are happening on a daily basis in real life.
and they are here so you can think about the decision. is the car occupant's life more valuable than the life of innocent bystander (eh, is bywalker a word)? does that change when one group is bigger in numbers? does it change when one group is obeying law and the other one not?
i have answered basically same question here: https://lemm.ee/post/36643403/13142015