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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 2 points 5 months ago (17 children)

The Death of the Junior Developer

Steve Yegge goes hard into critihype, there's no need for any junior people anymore, all you need is a senior prompt engineer. No word on what happens when the seniors retire or die off, guess we'll have AGI by then and it'll all work out. Also no word on how the legal profession will survive when all the senior prompt engineer's time is spend rewriting increasingly meaningless LLM responses as the training corpus inevitably degenerates from slurm contamination.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Funny, as I also assume LLMs will cause the death of the Junior Developer, but not because the job dissapears, but because due to relying on LLMs devs never really build the skills to understand software and will suck so hard people will not hire them for the junion -> senior positions. And it gets even worse for the junior dev when the LLMs enshittify (either by the output degrading or the deal altering more and more pray they don't alter the deal further).

Guess the difference of opinion here is calling people who use LLMs junior devs vs calling them senior devs.

I'm oddly reminded of the person who used copilot to write a script to do something (which they offered to others), and didn't know what http errors meant. (they just asked the LLM how to fix it).

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"DevOps" is a word meaning "sysadmin who can still use the command line"

[–] m@blat.at 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@dgerard @Soyweiser I thought we were SREs now. At least, the message for years was "Sysadmins are useless shit now because they aren't software engineers and hell, they don't even call themselves engineers".

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

a euphemism treadmill of "keeping shit working"

[–] m@blat.at 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

@dgerard Sometimes I feel like a hospital doctor who's worked in the clap clinic for decades and has had a series of name badges starting with "Venereal Disease" and passing through "Special Clinic" on the way to "Sexual Health Clinic". Same thankless job, just different labels.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago

I don't feel like any great shakes as a sysadmin, then I encounter someone with the same job title who has clearly never used a command line before

[–] rook@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago

Same basic lessons, too… “consider the risks of giving root privileges to people you just met”, etc.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wait there are people who cannot use the command line. No wait again, don't answer that please.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There are "sysadmins" who have to be dragged kicking and screaming to using the command line.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

..what... What would they use instead?

[–] self@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

having seen the horror from a distance: VNC, a fuckton of clicking, occasionally mouse and keyboard macros, possibly a networked KVM (itself not a bad idea at all for emergency access to hardware too commodity or misdesigned to have a sensible serial console, but we’re talking day to day here), and a massive chip on their shoulder about being forced off their beloved Windows Server 2003 and onto Linux

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

How do they sysadmin a server that doesn't have any display devices aside from the terminal then? Which in my experience is almost all of them?

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago
[–] self@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago

how dare you deny them their bounty of GPUs for every server in the rack

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago

I have had the actually quite heartwarming experience of us hiring on a serious NT BOFH (someone who knows precisely how to wave a hammer at NT to intimidate it) and he sees how Linux does stuff and is trepidatious but eventually delighted

then there are others

i'm at like the pointy-clicky stage with NT admin and sometimes it's just not enough, cos it's Babby's First OS but with several layers of tentacles underneath

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