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Chronicle the life and tale of the fediverse (+ matrix)

Largely a sublemmy about capturing drama, from fediverse spanning drama to just lemmy drama.

Includes lore like how a instance got it's name, how an instance got defederated, how an admin got doxxed, fedihistory etc

(New) This sub's intentions is to an archive/newspaper, as in preferably don't get into fights with each other or the ppl featured in the drama

Tags: fediverse news, lemmy news, lemmyverse

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After being harassed in multiple discord channels by powermod FlyingSquid the news mod blackbeard has shuttered his account and moved to bluesky.

https://ibb.co/cY44MgF

https://lemmy.world/u/Blackbeard

"The recklessness with which people downvote polite disagreements reminds me of all the worst parts of Reddit, and it proves to me that this isn't the social media savior I'd hoped it would be, and is instead just another echo chamber. I hope eventually lemmy.world (and the fediverse more broadly) can grow out of that, but some of the behavior I've seen on the inside from both mods and admins doesn't really inspire much confidence for that kind of evolution in the short term. "

FlyingSquid is the same mod who has the power to siteban people from lemmy.world

Why does lemmy.world keep having issues with their powermods and admins? Why do powermods get the ability to siteban their enemies from the largest instance?

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[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 6 days ago (15 children)

Yeah i cant believe the people defending them in this thread. I guess anyone can build up a little following of devoted supporters regardless of how childish and argumentative they behave. Really makes you think. Flying Squid does not come out of this looking good in any way.

[–] DmMacniel 6 points 6 days ago (14 children)

Why not? flyingsquid simply wanted clarification on how to discern what something is misinformation and what ain't.

Blackbeard seems to not cut it as a mod.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Asking another mod to mind how they report things should not have been met with this kind of hostility. It was a very simple ask.

[–] DmMacniel 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

But in what capacity should someone mind how to report things? Blackbeard failed to clarify, this escalation was on them.

Misinformation applies to statements of fact not opinion. This was the first thing said. Asking for further 'clarification' was done in bad faith and was just an attempt to obfuscate the issue and seem 'reasonable'. Its a tactic most intelligent adults can recognize and wont put up with, like when a child tries to pretend they dont know how to do their chores and just need you to show them 'one more time'. And then goes 'fine since i obviously cant do it right i just wont do it at all'

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The first message had Blackbeard clarify the difference between opinion and misinformation. It's pretty straightforward.

[–] DmMacniel 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I agree with FlyingSquid here. That opinion that borders defamation, equating political runner with several people and even Hitler, is absolute report worthy.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Defamation is not against the rules and sounds like quite a bit of a stretch. No one on Lemmy is capable of defaming anyone even remotely that famous. It's clearly an example of frivolous reporting.

[–] DmMacniel -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sure defamation is not against server rules. But it's against the law of atlesst in USA and my home country which makes it very much against server rules.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Again, defamation is a big stretch and the US laws don't matter in Lemmy. .world is hosted in Europe.

[–] DmMacniel 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Did I only state US laws? No I didn't. My home country would be Germany.

Besides, do ai/web crawler understand that this piece of opinion was just an opinion and not take it as information?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

https://www.carter-ruck.com/law-guides/defamation-and-privacy-law-in-germany/

The guiding principle is: Untrue factual statements are illegal. Expression of opinion is permissible up to the limit of “abusive criticism”.

In contrast expressions of opinion enjoy fundamental constitutional protection and are thus generally admissible.

The injunctive relief (i.e., an interim injunction), which is obtained by a court’s cease and desist order, may stop an unlawful publication that already took place or is imminent. An injunction is of specific practical importance and can provide fast and effective protection from imminent dam-age. The injunctive relief may address both unlawful texts and impermissible photos or film. It is used in the event of written reporting not only to protect a person against false allegations of facts but – in cases of privacy invasion – also against the expression of opinion. The court’s cease and desist order prohibits the publication of illegal content by a media company.

Yeah, not buying it. Relax buddy. A lot worse has been said online. People are allowed to express their opinions.

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