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    [–] sirico@feddit.uk 38 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (17 children)

    The snaps bad echo chamber

    Snaps bad because proprietary

    Pre installed Nvidia good because propriety no wait video games!

    Ubuntu's mission was always to build bridges between the user and tech and businesses that the gnu side of Linux wouldn't.

    It's a good just works distro that has spawned a ton of just works distros and sane server defaults. I see Ubuntu on the same level as macos.

    [–] Laser 25 points 6 days ago (6 children)

    I don't like snaps because it's just another Canonical NIH thing. Everyone else agreed on flatpak which seems to have a good design with portals and all and being fully open.

    On the other hand, you have snaps, which is being controlled by Canonical as the server component is l non-public. The packages sometimes work worse than normal debs and the flatpak version (steam being a notable example IIRC).

    There is 0 motivation for me as a user to look into that. They have solved the problem in one of the worst ways possible. Even Mint, which is Ubuntu's biggest downstream, has opted against including it by default.

    In addition to all of that, Canonical also installs applications as snap when using the apt\£* command line tools.

    So you have a system that is

    • proprietary
    • worse than the alternatives
    • pushed on users even through unexpected channels

    Ubuntu's mission was always to build bridges between the user and tech and businesses that the gnu side of Linux wouldn't.

    Which bridge did they build with snaps?

    It's a good just works distro that has spawned a ton of just works distros

    Which in turn have removed snaps by default and replaced the affected packages with native ones because it often didn't "just work"

    [–] lengau@midwest.social 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    I don't like snaps because it's just another Canonical NIH thing. Everyone else agreed on flatpak which seems to have a good design with portals and all and being fully open.

    Snaps both predate flatpak and do things that Flatpaks are not designed to do.

    Canonical have also been a part of the desktop portals standard for a very long time, as they've been a part of how snaps do things.

    [–] Laser 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    Snaps both predate flatpak and do things that Flatpaks are not designed to do.

    By less than a year judging by the article... and for individual applications, there was AppImage.

    Snaps can do things flatpaks can't do. Which is true but also kind of irrelevant if we're talking about a means to distribute applications in a cross-distribution manner as opposed to a base system A/B partition solution.

    Or am I misunderstanding?

    [–] lengau@midwest.social 3 points 6 days ago

    The claim that snaps are a Canonical NIH thing is falsified by those two facts. Even if Canonical said "okay, we'll distribute desktop apps with Flatpak," that wouldn't affect the vast majority of their ongoing effort for snaps, which are related to things that Flatpak simply doesn't do. Instead, they'd have the separate work of making the moving target of flatpaks work with their snap-based systems such as Ubuntu Core while still having to fully maintain that snap based ecosystem for the enterprise customers who use it for things that Flatpak simply doesn't do.

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