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Where to go from here? (pawb.social)

submitted 2 weeks ago by Mora@pawb.social to c/lgbtq_plus@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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The US seems to turn red. While I am living in Europe I am already wondering where I should go. Is there somewhere in this world where being LGBTQ is not a constant battle and where it will likely stay that way? Because typically the insanity coming from the US swaps over to EU and many states here are already on their way to fascism on their own.

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[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The sad truth is that there is no way to say right now. I believe, even if by basic statistical probability, that there will be some European nations that are able to avoid sliding to fascism in the coming decade. It's definitely not going to be Italy, and I'm pretty confident it won't be the Netherlands. I really can't imagine a country like France going to fascism, but then Le Pen keeps growing in popularity so who knows.

The point is, it can happen anywhere and can succeed anywhere. The only thing you can do right now is try to prevent it from winning in your country. If that fails, hopefully there'll be a confirmed safe haven then.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The sad truth is that there is no way to say right now.

None you're allowed to, anyway.

Nobody has any delusions about how we got rid of Hitler.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Okay, what country has decided to militarize against their growing fascist threat?

You can talk about bashin' fashes all you want, but nobody is doing it right now. I really thought it would be France or Germany, but both have growing far-right populist parties. Hell, just find me a single European country that does not have a far-right populist party that is currently growing in popularity.

If the question is "Where can I move right now that will be safe for the next decade," the answer is "It is unknowable."

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can talk about bashin’ fashes all you want, but nobody is doing it right now.

One guy tried.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

Technically two I guess, though one of them was just a shitty kid looking for 15 seconds of fame. I'm not gonna tell you no, but maybe make sure you follow through if you try, because Vance is just as bad if not worse.

Also, not helpful for someone who wants safety. Go stoke a revolution on a different post.