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Can you help me collect proofs that Elon Musk is against free speech and other bad things he has done/said ? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 2 weeks ago by VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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My father is convinced Elon is an idealist but I'd like to show him he's been misled

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[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 62 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

As for your original question: Musk helps oppressive states enforce censorship on his platform .

His passion for free speech is only for white supremacists and conspiracy theorists now running rampant on his platform (there is a John Oliver segment about it).

He opposed an anti-hate-speech law in Ireland, although the law makes clear that it is still allowed to express unfavorable opinions and offend others, but forbids incitement to violence.

This shows he is not interested in defending "unfavorable reasoning" against the "woke" inquisitors, rather than advancing hate-speech and white supremacist causes in particular. This is not only a hypothesis, but a reported outcome of his actions with X/Twitter, which is now a nazi bar.

Don't forget Russel's tolerance paradox: If you tolerate nazis in order to defend freedom (of speech, political association, and the like), they will overtake the state apparatus and verbot freedoms for everyone, not only speech, but freedom of life as well.

He is doing exactly that, not only permitting, but promoting white supremacy, and at the same time treating the term "cisgender" for example as a slur.

This shows he is not all in for defending free-speech for all sides, but he is out to "destroy to woke mind virus" because it "stole his son from him".

Musk is a nazi apologist, a big cry baby, and a media gatekeeper who enforces censorship both as a platform owner and as a service to totalitarian states.

He is a national security risk, according to Wired.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

He is a national security risk, according to Wired.

He is a member of the national security state. He and the security state are deeply in bed with each other. Much of his income is from the military-intelligence-industrial complex, coming straight from the federal government. The US is an oligarchy, and he is one of the most powerful & influential oligarchs. He’s literally the richest person on earth at the moment, and already has enormous influence on the state.

Why did he buy Twitter? To control the conversation, to manage public opinion. He bought it to 1) censor it and 2) inject propaganda into it.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I still think Twitter was just a fuck up on his side

Else it would be A+ psyop role playing and looking at all those bright minds, I don't see a possibility for them acting accordingly to a sinister plan.

I just want to make clear, that I don't think it's some kind of dark deep state issue, but much more a systematic issue, caused by Imperial capitalism - not saying you implied it, I just wanted to clarify

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

“Deep state” is actually a useful lens through which to view bourgeois democracies, it’s just nothing like the far right’s unhinged conceptualizations of it.

Michael Parenti, Dirty Truths

Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: “Do you actually think there’s a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?” For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together – on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot – though they call it “planning” and “strategizing” – and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists. To make the world safe for those who own it, politically active elements of the owning class have created a national security state that expends billions of dollars and enlists the efforts of vast numbers of people.

Aaron Good, American Exception: Empire and the Deep State

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