Sorry, but I'm honestly hoping Cars wins this. Fuckcars is so obnoxious and pretentious. Like, I get it, cars are terrible for the environment/communal spaces, but there's a lot that needs to change before everyone can eliminate their personal vehicle. That sub acts like you're Satan if you own a car.

ETA: thanks for proving my point with all of the vitriol. One guy blaming cancer on me for my cars brakes. One guy openly admitting that you don't get change unless you upset people so why be nice? Except, you have to upset the right people. Not your potential allies. That just alienates instead. But hey, keep yelling at a guy who said you yell too much. That will really show em 😂

[–] Xylight@lemdro.id 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think most people in that sub are American car owners that are advocating for cities to be less car dependant

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And as someone who lives in California right by where the "high speed rail" that's been promised for decades will be built, I'll again point out that until other things progress, you cant remove cars, and acting any differently, like that sub often does, shows their niavette.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

it sounds like you're still missing the point of both communities: the fuckcars crowd want improved non-car options; the cars crowd want complain about people using alternatives that inconvenience them when they drive.

no one's advocating abolishing cars. there's plenty who are pissed off at entitled drivers and rightfully so; but only the clueless want abolishment and that's contrary to the point.

[–] DempstersBox@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Sure! So how do things progress towards more walkable cities, with useable public transit?

Oh yeah. People gotta get pissed enough to actually have the motivation to effect real change.

So drive your disposable $40,000 gutless wonder to and from everything, I'll continue to give you the finger every time you forget people who ride bikes exist.

And take my cabriolet on the occasional pleasure cruise, because it's actually worth driving.

Because yeah, cars can be cool. But not on the fucking daily, that's exhausting. Zing!

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

i too like posting ragebait

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemy.lol 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They act like athiest vegans. They completely fuck up the message.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Their main problem is they want to only advocate their ideal world, ignoring all the necessary steps in-between. Real "society is evil so go live in the woods instead" vibes. They don't want to be a part of current society, and often don't want to be a part of the actual change - they just want to live in an imagined utopia.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What in-between steps? Undermining corporate-created car culture is a great way to get address some of the many problems from cars and their ubiquitous, unpleasant, incredibly wasteful infrastructure.

I hate cars, for some very good reasons, and I'll keep hating them even if it makes people uncomfortable.

I'm tired of breathing in your carcinogenic brake pad dust and exhaust fumes. I don't want microplastics from car tires in my brain (too late). Did you know noise pollution from traffic is linked to early mortality? That cars are easily one of the leading causes of death in countries like the US, for multiple reasons? Fuck cars.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks for being that guy. So, when you gonna get the new trains and busses running? How you gonna do that? I'll be waiting.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago

When people like you start thinking reasonably and care about something other than yourself.

[–] DempstersBox@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago

Pipe down, you don't even have a message